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2l tfsi Software choices

Post by rayray48 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:56 am

So I just want to know locally in western cape - I never knew there were so many choices.

I would like to know from peoples experiences on here what is the more value for money between these:

Revo / MRC / Apec

I want software and down pipe done and they all range between 8k . So in your personal experience which one should I go for?
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Re: 2l tfsi Software choices

Post by Camo » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:10 am

Do DP first!
Shouldnt cost more then R2500,..drive car for a while and get use to it! DP is a lekke upgrade.

I will add Intake also before SW,..just so your car breaths and runs well before adding SW.

Then make sure your car is 100% (DV, Plugs, CamFollower,etc.) before loading SW...Software is like acid to a car that does not run well.

As for your SW choices, I cannot say!
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Post by Titleists » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:24 am

Revo
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Post by Hoosier Daddy » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:31 am

Titleists wrote:
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Revo
Biased much :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go with whoever is accessible to you and does what you want. If you want to be the fastest or be the most reliable there are tuners out there that will give you either one, but after sales service is key. There are some really lazy mofo's out there, so be warned. Take a drive in some their customer's cars as well, there's various way to build a file
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Post by Camo » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:51 pm

Hoosier Daddy wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:31 am
Titleists wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:24 am
Revo
Biased much :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go with whoever is accessible to you and does what you want. If you want to be the fastest or be the most reliable there are tuners out there that will give you either one, but after sales service is key. There are some really lazy mofo's out there, so be warned. Take a drive in some their customer's cars as well, there's various way to build a file
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Post by Lodewyk » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:40 am

Thanas tuning for custom software definitely
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Post by DangerBoy » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:41 am

Titleists wrote:
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Revo
Windows 10 1903 FTW.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Titleists » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:55 am

DangerBoy wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:41 am
Titleists wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:24 am
Revo
Windows 10 1903 FTW.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Windows 10 wasn't on the list :troll:
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Post by Williaml » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:20 pm

Be careful. A software remap is not a risk-free procedure.
I had software done on my 2014 G7GTI 2 years ago. This tuner has his business in the Southern Suburbs, seemingly well known and experienced, with a presence on Facebook. My gut told me to go with Revo, but there isn't a Revo dealer in the SSuburbs, and this guy's business is close to where I live.
I asked for Stage 1. He tuned me a rocketship.
In a nutshell- Turbo needed repair, and I'm still saving up for the engine rebuild.
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Post by Camo » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:28 pm

Williaml wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:20 pm
Be careful. A software remap is not a risk-free procedure.
I had software done on my 2014 G7GTI 2 years ago. This tuner has his business in the Southern Suburbs, seemingly well known and experienced, with a presence on Facebook. My gut told me to go with Revo, but there isn't a Revo dealer in the SSuburbs, and this guy's business is close to where I live.
I asked for Stage 1. He tuned me a rocketship.
In a nutshell- Turbo needed repair, and I'm still saving up for the engine rebuild.
:lol: ...jirreeeeee. Basically Stage3+ with no hardware
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Post by dazza » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:42 am

I have only had good results with Revo on 5 different VAG cars petrol and TDI. There are plenty good options though
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Post by Rascal69 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:15 am

REVO , i'm biased because I've always received the best service/advice/assistance many times from Shaun Mooloo.
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Post by Williaml » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:26 am

rayray48 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:56 am
So I just want to know locally in western cape - I never knew there were so many choices.

I would like to know from peoples experiences on here what is the more value for money between these:

Revo / MRC / Apec

I want software and down pipe done and they all range between 8k . So in your personal experience which one should I go for?
If you want to know who fukked up my car with an over-aggressive remap (i.e who to avoid), you can message me.
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Post by sbu.mah » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:18 pm

Williaml wrote:Be careful. A software remap is not a risk-free procedure.
I had software done on my 2014 G7GTI 2 years ago. This tuner has his business in the Southern Suburbs, seemingly well known and experienced, with a presence on Facebook. My gut told me to go with Revo, but there isn't a Revo dealer in the SSuburbs, and this guy's business is close to where I live.
I asked for Stage 1. He tuned me a rocketship.
In a nutshell- Turbo needed repair, and I'm still saving up for the engine rebuild.
ImageImageImage sorry but this one killed me, so the bastard loaded some V8 like tune on a 2 litre

One of the reasons I was hesitant to tune my GTI, but currently running Revo stage 1 and the guys are always available to take my calls.

Still to this point, I don't floor it or launch the car. Just enjoy that linear power delivery from the tune

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Post by THANAS » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:26 pm

sbu.mah wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:18 pm
Williaml wrote:Be careful. A software remap is not a risk-free procedure.
I had software done on my 2014 G7GTI 2 years ago. This tuner has his business in the Southern Suburbs, seemingly well known and experienced, with a presence on Facebook. My gut told me to go with Revo, but there isn't a Revo dealer in the SSuburbs, and this guy's business is close to where I live.
I asked for Stage 1. He tuned me a rocketship.
In a nutshell- Turbo needed repair, and I'm still saving up for the engine rebuild.
ImageImageImage sorry but this one killed me, so the bastard loaded some V8 like tune on a 2 litre

One of the reasons I was hesitant to tune my GTI, but currently running Revo stage 1 and the guys are always available to take my calls.

Still to this point, I don't floor it or launch the car. Just enjoy that linear power delivery from the tune

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You really should not have to worry about flooring a GTi. I maintain that a well designed performance tune can protect the motor. Yes, the motor is put under more physical stress, torque, heat etc, but if you see how lean a stock tune Golf 7 GTI runs (until the ECU decides that modelled exhaust gas temperature is hot enough to enrich the fuel mixture), you'll have second thoughts. If you're like me, you're probably more worried about the safety of the motor vs the fuel consumption when driven hard. Manufacturers need to meet emissions requirements and post low consumption figures. Therefore stock calibrations need to be economically competitive under all conditions, so they will run as lean as possible for as long as possible before enriching. As long as the aftermarket tune is appropriate for the hardware and the tuner doesn't interfere with the knock sensor filter calibration/operation (unfortunately this is very common), having the motor enrich sooner, can help ward off ill effects like LSPI that affect even stock motors.

Another qualm of mine is the ecu mapped temperature setpoints for the coolant system, again for emissions the coolant temperature is set too high for a performance vehicle, coolant temperature directly influences oil temperature. Traffic/a short hoon will see oil temps reach 115-120 degrees on a stock tune. One of the first things I do is bring that down, the cooling system is more than capable of reaching lower targets, and I see a 15 degree drop in oil temperature as a result of lower coolant temp targets.

Launching it on the other hand is a lot more stressful, especially to the transmission. I never launch my car, but I boost it all day everyday, because that's why I bought it and that's what I tuned it to handle.

Anyways enough waffling, what was the question again?
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Post by Ram013 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:16 am

THANAS wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:26 pm
sbu.mah wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:18 pm
Williaml wrote:Be careful. A software remap is not a risk-free procedure.
I had software done on my 2014 G7GTI 2 years ago. This tuner has his business in the Southern Suburbs, seemingly well known and experienced, with a presence on Facebook. My gut told me to go with Revo, but there isn't a Revo dealer in the SSuburbs, and this guy's business is close to where I live.
I asked for Stage 1. He tuned me a rocketship.
In a nutshell- Turbo needed repair, and I'm still saving up for the engine rebuild.
ImageImageImage sorry but this one killed me, so the bastard loaded some V8 like tune on a 2 litre

One of the reasons I was hesitant to tune my GTI, but currently running Revo stage 1 and the guys are always available to take my calls.

Still to this point, I don't floor it or launch the car. Just enjoy that linear power delivery from the tune

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

You really should not have to worry about flooring a GTi. I maintain that a well designed performance tune can protect the motor. Yes, the motor is put under more physical stress, torque, heat etc, but if you see how lean a stock tune Golf 7 GTI runs (until the ECU decides that modelled exhaust gas temperature is hot enough to enrich the fuel mixture), you'll have second thoughts. If you're like me, you're probably more worried about the safety of the motor vs the fuel consumption when driven hard. Manufacturers need to meet emissions requirements and post low consumption figures. Therefore stock calibrations need to be economically competitive under all conditions, so they will run as lean as possible for as long as possible before enriching. As long as the aftermarket tune is appropriate for the hardware and the tuner doesn't interfere with the knock sensor filter calibration/operation (unfortunately this is very common), having the motor enrich sooner, can help ward off ill effects like LSPI that affect even stock motors.

Another qualm of mine is the ecu mapped temperature setpoints for the coolant system, again for emissions the coolant temperature is set too high for a performance vehicle, coolant temperature directly influences oil temperature. Traffic/a short hoon will see oil temps reach 115-120 degrees on a stock tune. One of the first things I do is bring that down, the cooling system is more than capable of reaching lower targets, and I see a 15 degree drop in oil temperature as a result of lower coolant temp targets.

Launching it on the other hand is a lot more stressful, especially to the transmission. I never launch my car, but I boost it all day everyday, because that's why I bought it and that's what I tuned it to handle.

Anyways enough waffling, what was the question again?
I wasn't aware that the standard setup was to run lean...but then again in the pursuit of economy, it certainly makes sense. Would simply switching it to sport, alleviate this issue? Of course this "solution" won't help on the cooling side.
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Re: 2l tfsi Software choices

Post by THANAS » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:32 am

Ram013 wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:16 am
*snip*
I wasn't aware that the standard setup was to run lean...but then again in the pursuit of economy, it certainly makes sense. Would simply switching it to sport, alleviate this issue? Of course this "solution" won't help on the cooling side.
Not at all, even though it seems that that would be the sensible way of setting it up, Sport mode is primarily a gearbox mode, with alternate shift times/patterns. On newer platforms, sport mode can be used as an input for things like impulse combustion (pops and bangs), but in most applications the motor-related parameters are the same. ECO mode will have lower clutch torque limits to limit boost and help consumption etc.
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Post by Ram013 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:56 am

THANAS wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:32 am
Ram013 wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:16 am
*snip*
I wasn't aware that the standard setup was to run lean...but then again in the pursuit of economy, it certainly makes sense. Would simply switching it to sport, alleviate this issue? Of course this "solution" won't help on the cooling side.
Not at all, even though it seems that that would be the sensible way of setting it up, Sport mode is primarily a gearbox mode, with alternate shift times/patterns. On newer platforms, sport mode can be used as an input for things like impulse combustion (pops and bangs), but in most applications the motor-related parameters are the same. ECO mode will have lower clutch torque limits to limit boost and help consumption etc.
Ah, nice try I suppose but thanks for the info.
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