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Post by avinash.s » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:02 am

Hi can anyone tell me the compressed thickness of the victor reinz steel head gasket and also the elring steel head gasket. Im looking for a gasket with a compressed thickness of 1.8mm. thanks
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Post by avinash.s » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:01 pm

I have seen the above topic however they speak of the 2l 16v head gaske. So is the 8v gasket the same compressed thickness?
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Post by panic-mechanic » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:53 pm

same gasket.
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Post by avinash.s » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:49 am

So just to make sure i can work on a compressed thickness of 1.6mm for a steel victor reinz or elring head gasket?
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Post by panic-mechanic » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:34 pm

for the steel gasket we work on 1.83mm
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Post by avinash.s » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:12 pm

Thanks panic, between the victor reinz and elring which one would be close to 1.8mm?
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Post by avinash.s » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:51 pm

Reason I ask is i am doing a 1900 8 v conversion on my 1.8 golf with 2.3 pistons decked flush to the block. I did cc the head and came up with the ffg:

Bore: 83.5
Stroke: 86.4
Head volume: 29cc
Dish cc: 12cc (Not sure as pistons have not been decked)
Deck clearance: 0
Compressed gasket thickness: 1.6mm victor reinz

Compression works out to 10.6:1

I am not sure if this compression will be fine on pump fuel at the coast or if i need to look for a thicker head gasket or another way to get the compression lower.
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Post by panic-mechanic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:52 pm

it will be perfectly fine
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Post by avinash.s » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:09 am

Thanks panic, which gasket is closer to 1.8mm as you mentioned the elring metal gasket or the victor reinz?
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Post by avinash.s » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:27 pm

Ok I bought the victor reinz 2e steel gasket today as well as the 2.3 caravelle (40 thou) pistons with hastings rings and ks bearings. Looking at the pistons they seem to have a very small dish. Can anyone tell me the dish volume of the 2.3 pistons standard and after its decked flush to the 1800 (hv) block. I know I will have to measure it but it still has the squish pad so I have no idea how to measure it. I just want to know if im close in my estimation of 12 cc after decking flush to the block. Any help will be appreciated.
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Post by panic-mechanic » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:28 am

The VR and elring gaskets are identical.
You have to measure volumes. No guessing. I cannot tell you what the dish volume is. We never measure that on it's own. You drop the piston 5 mm into the block and meaure that volume and then calculate it out as that allows you to include the squish pad.
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Post by avinash.s » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:50 pm

Ok thank you panic I will try and cc the pistons this weekend.
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Post by avinash.s » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:39 am

Ok I did cc the piston now,I just cc'd the dish portion as the squish pad will be machined out when i deck the pistons flush to the block. Calculating compression ratio again now I get the following:

Bore: 83.5mm
Stroke: 86.4mm
Cylinder head volume: 29cc
Piston dish volume: 8cc
Piston to deck clearance: 0
Compressed gasket thickness:1.8mm

Compression ratio then works out to: 11.03 :1

Is this too much compression to run at the coast(kzn) as the car is carburetor and has no knock control and if so how do you suggest I drop the compression ratio. I was thinking of decking the pistons below deck by 0.2 mm which gives a compression ratio of 10.74:1.
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Post by avinash.s » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:01 am

@panic is it ok to deck the pistons below deck or will the above compression ratio be fine at the coast on 95?
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Post by panic-mechanic » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:43 pm

you'll have to run fairly reduced timing at 11.03. You can deck them below the block but of course tha makes them prone to detonation even more due to the lack of squish pad.
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Post by avinash.s » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:25 am

Ok thanks Panic that is what I was thinking as well, do you have any suggestions on how to reduce the compression enough to run on pump fuel at the coast? Does the 2.5 Caravelle piston have a dish with a bigger volume and if so would it work out if I use the 2.5 pistons and deck the block?
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Post by avinash.s » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:09 am

Also if I do use the 2.5 pistons and deck the block(approx 2.5mm) would the standard cambelt and a vernier pulley be able to get the timing on the mark again.
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Post by panic-mechanic » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:22 pm

Generally that. what we do. 2.5 pistons - deck the block right. vernier to fix.
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Post by avinash.s » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:33 pm

So with my above measurements, would it be better to use the 2.3 and if so how can I lower the compression enough for pump fuel for everyday use or do I use the 2.5 pistons and deck the block. Also what is the highest compression ratio I can run in durban on an 8v ?
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Post by panic-mechanic » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:14 pm

Play with the sizes and see what suits you the best. That is what school fees are about. I don't live in durban so really almost never tune cars for the coast. Speak to the guys down there. They will be able to tell you what works and what doesn't.
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Post by avinash.s » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:18 pm

Well actually wanted something with a close to standard compression ratio of 10:1 -10.5:1.....im not looking for the most power as it will have to drive everyday...but my bore is 40 thou over and has a ridge. So just a safe formula for the specs I gave would help.
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Post by panic-mechanic » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:23 pm

hard to say as I don't even know exactly what engine you are rebuilding. You have not given ANY of that. Basically just stared asking what gasket thickness.
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Post by avinash.s » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:27 pm

Oh ya thats true.

Its a 1.8 8v carb motor. 40 thou over bore with a ridge. Plan to use it daily and would like some power as well. Im going to run it on a carb and not change to injection. So needs to run on 95 and will not have knock control. Anything else you want to know.
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Post by panic-mechanic » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:31 pm

So you are then building a 1900. there are a million and three threads on exactly how to do that, Do a search. Yes around 10,5:1 should be your aim.
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