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ABF Alternator Bracket (Pic up new part)

Postby Pieta » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:42 pm

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So after seeing Wikus's setup on the ADY he bought for the caddy I decided to get me the bracket from VW. So it arrived and it fits perfectly on the motor, but the 90 amp alternator the import engine came with does not look like it will work as it is intended to do. It misses the tensioner spring completely. Ideally I would like a 70 amp alternator does anybody know which alternator fits on this bracket and works with the spring as intended? Where to get a alternator that fits preferably in Pretoria somewhere? If someone can help me with a pic of how it should look like I will greatly appreciate it.

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See on the following pic, the spring on the bottom of the bracket misses the alternator completely.

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We tried everything to get it aligned, but no show.
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby vwpro » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:39 pm

you can make something to bolt onto the alternator between the two lobes that catch the spring, take a tube (pipe) with triangle plate welded to it and bolt it in between the 2 lobes, just weld a support onto it that prevent it tilting backwards when spring tension pressed against the triangle plate, did a couple of them and they works grate

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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Pieta » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:46 pm

vwpro wrote:you can make something to bolt onto the alternator between the two lobes that catch the spring, take a tube (pipe) with triangle plate welded to it and bolt it in between the 2 lobes, just weld a support onto it that prevent it tilting backwards when spring tension pressed against the triangle plate, did a couple of them and they works grate


We used the 1.4's tensioner bracket and it looks like it can work, I need a new alternator anyway, would just like to know what type of alternator works with this spring setup, the bracket was listed on the ETKA system as a direct replacement to the ABF instead of the bracket that holds the ac pump and power steering pump. I saw this bracket on Wikus's ADY and thought looks neat and simple. I haven't upgraded the 1.4's charging wire so that's why I would prefer to get a 70 amp alternator or so.

Thanks for your reply, will definitely look into this if I don't get a suitable alternator.
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Torker » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:02 pm

I've got the exact same setup, made up a bracket to tension the belt. I used a 6PK975 belt and made the bracket to suit the belt. I'm not using the bracket in the pic anymore, it had just enough play on the ball-ends to cause vibration on the alternator, I now use an aluminium bracket.

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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Pieta » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:44 pm

Torker wrote:I've got the exact same setup, made up a bracket to tension the belt. I used a 6PK975 belt and made the bracket to suit the belt. I'm not using the bracket in the pic anymore, it had just enough play on the ball-ends to cause vibration on the alternator, I now use an aluminium bracket.

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If all else fails l will have to make a plan like yours Torker. I browsed on the internet and it looks like a 1.9tdi T4 alternator. It comes with 70A charging rate, perfect. But finding one will probably now be a mission.

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This looks like the exact alternator for that bracket?
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby 2226cc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:06 pm

I had that bracket and alternator at one point in time. Wouldn't it just be a Mk3 non-AC with power-steering alternator?

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.p ... ator-Setup

That thread has all the part numbers you could possibly need. :-D

Bosch 70A: AL0185X or 0-123-315-001
Bosch 90A: AL0187X or 0-123-320-002

Could try your luck with Bo$ch dealers (Diesel-Electric http://www.diesel-electric.com). They were the only ones who had a rebuild kit for the starter motor I had on the 02C box.

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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby nd_s » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:10 am

Ask wikus how i made his setup work..
I used a golf 1 adjuster bracket to make it adjust and oyu need to space the alternator out abit, Let me see what alternators i got lying around, Alternativly, i can give tyou the abf bracket.

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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Torker » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:13 am

nd_s wrote:Ask wikus how i made his setup work..
I used a golf 1 adjuster bracket to make it adjust and oyu need to space the alternator out abit, Let me see what alternators i got lying around, Alternativly, i can give tyou the abf bracket.


Did you do the pulley mod, I've got to go through and pick one up for the GT.
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby dbndude » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:34 am

i used the bracket from a polo non a/c.

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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby nd_s » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:37 am

dbndude wrote:i used the bracket from a polo non a/c.

If i am not mistaken that is the same bracket.

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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Pieta » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:36 pm

Hi guys,

Looks like I have found a new Bosch alternator, it will be with me tomorrow, I went everywhere today searching for the right one even Diesel Electric does not have, but went to Stargen Auto Elec here in Pretoria North, and they ordered me one.

Lets hold thumbs and hope its the right part.
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Pieta » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:43 pm

Torker wrote:
nd_s wrote:Ask wikus how i made his setup work..
I used a golf 1 adjuster bracket to make it adjust and oyu need to space the alternator out abit, Let me see what alternators i got lying around, Alternativly, i can give tyou the abf bracket.


Did you do the pulley mod, I've got to go through and pick one up for the GT.


What is the purpose of the pulley Wikus do other than the normal one?
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Torker » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:22 pm

Pieta wrote:
Torker wrote:
nd_s wrote:Ask wikus how i made his setup work..
I used a golf 1 adjuster bracket to make it adjust and oyu need to space the alternator out abit, Let me see what alternators i got lying around, Alternativly, i can give tyou the abf bracket.


Did you do the pulley mod, I've got to go through and pick one up for the GT.


What is the purpose of the pulley Wikus do other than the normal one?


Check here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=146456&p=1968840#p1968840

Pulley is a bit bigger so alternator turns slower, useful at high rpm to help the alternator stay in one piece, it's also got a one-way mechanism inside, when you are revving the engine the alternator turns, when you let go of the accelerator the alternator freewheels. This takes the strain off the belt and eliminates the 'belt-hop' on deceleration.
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Pieta » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:29 pm

Torker wrote:
Check here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=146456&p=1968840#p1968840

Pulley is a bit bigger so alternator turns slower, useful at high rpm to help the alternator stay in one piece, it's also got a one-way mechanism inside, when you are revving the engine the alternator turns, when you let go of the accelerator the alternator freewheels. This takes the strain off the belt and eliminates the 'belt-hop' on deceleration.


Aaah, now I see. Nic definitely needs one, after Kyalami. LOL, think it would be worthit on a stock motor as a fail safe?
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Torker » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:38 pm

Pieta wrote:
Torker wrote:
Check here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=146456&p=1968840#p1968840

Pulley is a bit bigger so alternator turns slower, useful at high rpm to help the alternator stay in one piece, it's also got a one-way mechanism inside, when you are revving the engine the alternator turns, when you let go of the accelerator the alternator freewheels. This takes the strain off the belt and eliminates the 'belt-hop' on deceleration.


Aaah, now I see. Nic definitely needs one, after Kyalami. LOL, think it would be worthit on a stock motor as a fail safe?


I think so, the brackets like we have are prone to cracking and breaking through the mounting points, I believe it's because of the belt hopping on deceleration, it can be quite violent. If you can eliminate that the bracket will last longer. The fact that it's bigger than standard is just an added benefit.
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby Pieta » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:41 pm

Torker wrote:
Pieta wrote:
Torker wrote:
Check here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=146456&p=1968840#p1968840

Pulley is a bit bigger so alternator turns slower, useful at high rpm to help the alternator stay in one piece, it's also got a one-way mechanism inside, when you are revving the engine the alternator turns, when you let go of the accelerator the alternator freewheels. This takes the strain off the belt and eliminates the 'belt-hop' on deceleration.


Aaah, now I see. Nic definitely needs one, after Kyalami. LOL, think it would be worthit on a stock motor as a fail safe?


I think so, the brackets like we have are prone to cracking and breaking through the mounting points, I believe it's because of the belt hopping on deceleration, it can be quite violent. If you can eliminate that the bracket will last longer. The fact that it's bigger than standard is just an added benefit.


Cool, then I need to get myself one of those as well. The plan is to do trackdays etc, so don't want alti's failing.
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket

Postby nd_s » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:34 am

Aaah, now I see. Nic definitely needs one, after Kyalami. LOL, think it would be worthit on a stock motor as a fail safe?

Been afraid to drive the car cause of this.

Cool, then I need to get myself one of those as well. The plan is to do trackdays etc, so don't want alti's failing.


Well i got one, Will let you know how it runs, Also picked up the last one for christo..
What was the part number for the alternator? and how much did it set you back?

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Postby Pieta » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:20 pm

nd_s wrote:
Aaah, now I see. Nic definitely needs one, after Kyalami. LOL, think it would be worthit on a stock motor as a fail safe?

Been afraid to drive the car cause of this.

Cool, then I need to get myself one of those as well. The plan is to do trackdays etc, so don't want alti's failing.


Well i got one, Will let you know how it runs, Also picked up the last one for christo..
What was the part number for the alternator? and how much did it set you back?


Paid R1955 incl. for a new part, fits the bracket perfectly. EA1308 is what is on the alternator and the box there are a part number 305.501.090 or CA740IR. Pic is up.

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Postby nd_s » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:40 am

Is that the 70 amp version?

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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket (Pic up new part)

Postby Pieta » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:00 am

nd_s wrote:Is that the 70 amp version?


It said 90A on the invoice. No info on the alternator itself except the numbers I posted up here.
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Postby Torker » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:46 am

What belt do you run with this setup?
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket (Pic up new part)

Postby Pieta » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:37 pm

Torker wrote:What belt do you run with this setup?


Not sure yet, need to get a belt, will let you know when I have one. LOL
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket (Pic up new part)

Postby markfish888 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:11 pm

Nice set up, looks propper, exelent reference for the future!

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Laat jou vrou toe dat jy olie kanne op haar eetkamer stel se stoelle sit???? :fear:
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Postby Pieta » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:16 pm

markfish888 wrote:Nice set up, looks propper, exelent reference for the future!

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Laat jou vrou toe dat jy olie kanne op haar eetkamer stel se stoelle sit???? :fear:


Hahahaha, daaroor praat ons glad nie, sideshafts le in die sitkamer en daars 2 bucket seats in die huis ook nog. Dis net parte waar jy kyk. Niemand vok met my parte nie. LOL
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Re: ABF Alternator Bracket (Pic up new part)

Postby 2226cc » Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:18 pm

Pieta wrote:Paid R1955 incl. for a new part, fits the bracket perfectly. EA1308 is what is on the alternator and the box there are a part number 305.501.090 or CA740IR. Pic is up.


Quick Google indicates that part number is for a brand called "Cargo". Looks like a decent unit and price.

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