VW505.01 VS VW507.00 (Lets put a end to confusion)

[Viper]

http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Certif ... ehl-VW.pdf

Please go read the complete thing or if you lazy like me skip to page 16.

This explains the difference between the 2 and it basically comes down to DPF or extended service intervals. Our diesel are of a poor quality and that is the reason why most of our vehicles never adopted the DPF system or extended service intervals.
The service books are guide lines for Europe and was printed and distributed with the cars when sold new in SA.
Even my 2007 Touareg 3.0tdi use VW505.01 but my service book shows i have DPF. When I phoned VWSA to confirm this the technical division come back to me stating i do not have a DPF and as a result only have to use VW505.01. I confirmed that again when i did the exhaust decat on my car (to my knolage you can not decat a DPF with out getting fault codes). Its only in the past 4 years where more and more vehicles have been build is SA with the DPF systems and when you put 500ppm diesel in one of these you end up screwing up the DPF and you will have to replace the unit.

So in short. Do you have DPF in your car?
YES . Run VW507.00
NO . Run VW505.01

[Crawler]

Thank you for that

505.01 is the way to go, easy as that

[Stompie]

Should i put the popcorn in the microwave so long? Juuuuust Kidding!

[Viper]

I feel like some popcorn!

[AlexTDi]

This is a sticky in the TDI section

[amstel18]

Alright fair enough. I will go have a look for the topics tonight.

There were guys here that were experiencing power loss etc when vw serviced their cars and used vw505.01. This was a while back when the cars just came out.

When the oil was changed the power was back.

That is when seat international forced vw to use vw507 in the cupra tdi's. Afaik none of the cupra tdi's had a dpf, even in foreign markets but yet still required a vw507 spec oil. So the simple question isnt so simple then is it?

I'm sure some of the guys on here that are also on the seat sport forum may have read the topic I'm talking about with the oil issue.

Even on the uk seatcupra.net site they all recommend using vw507 on the pd160 motors. And I havent read of any of their cars having dpf's?

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[Tdi jetta 4 ever]

What is the difference between the two oils. Is the one half synthetic and the other full? What is the price difference?

[Yakuza Racer]

What is the difference between the two oils. Is the one half synthetic and the other full? What is the price difference?

biiiiiig

[Viper]

I will post some more info tomorrow. All I can say for now is, no power loss on my Touareg but I know I don't have a dpf.

The only reason I think there will be a power loss is that if you use a vw505.01 on dpf car , you will start blocking the holes in the dpf that results in a block in the exhaust system and will result in less power.

Shell vw505.01 is a semi synthetic and there vw507.00 is a fully synthetic
Motul on the other hand Vw505.01 are a fully synthetic and can be used in dpf cars because of the C3 aditve in it. Not to sure why they haven't got the vw507.00 clearance.


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[Breadroll]

I know Morné uses 505.01 in his wife's cupra tdi no issues either

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[Sinbad]

I know Morné uses 505.01 in his wife's cupra tdi no issues either

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She has an FR.


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[Sinbad]

none of the cupra tdi's had a dpf, even in foreign markets but yet still required a vw507 spec oil. So the simple question isnt so simple then is it?

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[Viper]

Can someone with a Cupra tdi please pm me a picture of there pr sticker inside there service book. I will do some more research on this in the morning. I really want to get to bottom of this.
If this is true then enven vwsa got it wrong incl there technical department!

I will try and see if I can get minimum specifications on both oils as well as the different additives that makes up the oil. Then we can see where the differences are.

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[Sinbad]

Can someone with a Cupra tdi please pm me a picture of there pr sticker inside there service book. I will do some more research on this in the morning. I really want to get to bottom of this.
If this is true then enven vwsa got it wrong incl there technical department!

I will try and see if I can get minimum specifications on both oils as well as the different additives that makes up the oil. Then we can see where the differences are.

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Don't have one any more. Had one of the first ones in S.A.and I was one of the activists that got them to start using 507. I promise you the manual is very specific about it.
If I remember right it was something about shear resistance being higher in the 507, needed cos the cupra revs higher than the pd130 thus putting more strain on the pd pumps.

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[Breadroll]

I know Morné uses 505.01 in his wife's cupra tdi no issues either

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She has an FR.


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Was told different, but no worries.

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[B_rad]

So with that being said, should someone running a bigger turbo than a PD130 turbo on their TDI use 507 oil?

[Viper]

I don't think so. Let's get some more info tomorrow and the draw to a conclusion. This is making my head hurt!

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[AlexTDi]

VW once put vw507.00 in my Sportline a while back and after a 5000 - 10000km's the motor started to get really noisy on idle
switched back to 505.01 and it's always a lot quieter even after 14999km's.

I would stick to this

S/L - 505.01
Seat Cupra - 507.00
Diesel Caddy in the USA - Used transmission oil

[Crawler]

Would the Motul not almost be best of both - my car is very smooth with it, only 2000km so far

[amstel18]

Here is the oil chart in the owners manual.
As you can see they specifically state that the 118kw pd motor must use vw507


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[Vinnige Fanie]

Just a question what is the main difference between the PD160 and the Pd130 as far as I understand just Turbo and nozzles?

[Breadroll]

Would the Motul not almost be best of both - my car is very smooth with it, only 2000km so far

Technically the Motul 8100 should meet the 507 rating because of the C3 additive in the oil, but it does not. I will get in touch with Motul and see what is recommended.

[Pikkewyn]

Here is the Seat Owners Manual... Now I'm confused again, it says (like you can see) 118kW motor uses 506 and 507 AND DPF fitted motors ONLY 507...

The question then beckons, is Motul 505 01 equal to 506/507

[Sinbad]

The question then beckons, is Motul 505 01 equal to 506/507

No

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[amstel18]

The question then beckons, is Motul 505 01 equal to 506/507

No

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If it was equal it would say vw507 on the bottle.

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