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Mk1 Brake bias

Postby irelhard » Thu May 09, 2013 2:52 pm

Hi guys
If anybody has any knowledge of mk1 brake bias. I took out the whole brake booster. i don`t want the big thing
in front at the engine bay. Looking to do the whole master cylinder inside the car. I see Tilton has some great stuff.
If anyone can help me as to which master cylinder i can use to get correct brake bias. car is stripped, so very light.
or any suggestions
Thanks

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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby Coroner » Thu May 09, 2013 3:04 pm

irelhard wrote:Hi guys
If anybody has any knowledge of mk1 brake bias. I took out the whole brake booster. i don`t want the big thing
in front at the engine bay. Looking to do the whole master cylinder inside the car. I see Tilton has some great stuff.
If anyone can help me as to which master cylinder i can use to get correct brake bias. car is stripped, so very light.
or any suggestions
Thanks

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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby Torker » Thu May 09, 2013 3:06 pm

irelhard wrote:Hi guys
If anybody has any knowledge of mk1 brake bias. I took out the whole brake booster. i don`t want the big thing
in front at the engine bay. Looking to do the whole master cylinder inside the car. I see Tilton has some great stuff.
If anyone can help me as to which master cylinder i can use to get correct brake bias. car is stripped, so very light.
or any suggestions
Thanks


I'm running the booster delete mod in my GT, master cylinder directly on the brake pedal and Tilton brake bias to the rear, works very well. Not recommended om stock brakes tho, I'm running big disk conversion in the front and disks in the rear.
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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby Torker » Thu May 09, 2013 3:06 pm

Coroner wrote:
irelhard wrote:Hi guys
If anybody has any knowledge of mk1 brake bias. I took out the whole brake booster. i don`t want the big thing
in front at the engine bay. Looking to do the whole master cylinder inside the car. I see Tilton has some great stuff.
If anyone can help me as to which master cylinder i can use to get correct brake bias. car is stripped, so very light.
or any suggestions
Thanks

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Postby irelhard » Thu May 09, 2013 3:12 pm

Torker where did you get the parts for the big brake. I did the rear brake already.

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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby Torker » Thu May 09, 2013 3:15 pm

irelhard wrote:Torker where did you get the parts for the big brake. I did the rear brake already.


Wikus (Viper) on the forum sells a complete front kit - 280mm disks, spacers and pads for just over R2k, you use your existing Citi front calipers, I'm running that at the moment.

Edit to add - here is the link: viewtopic.php?f=81&t=154000
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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby Coroner » Thu May 09, 2013 3:17 pm

Torker wrote:
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irelhard wrote:Hi guys
If anybody has any knowledge of mk1 brake bias. I took out the whole brake booster. i don`t want the big thing
in front at the engine bay. Looking to do the whole master cylinder inside the car. I see Tilton has some great stuff.
If anyone can help me as to which master cylinder i can use to get correct brake bias. car is stripped, so very light.
or any suggestions
Thanks

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Postby AlexTDi » Thu May 09, 2013 3:19 pm

Does anyone know how much norbrake charges for the booster delete mod?
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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby Torker » Thu May 09, 2013 3:22 pm

1.9TurboVw wrote:Does anyone know how much norbrake charges for the booster delete mod?


I got mine from Piet @ VWTechniques who got it from Norbrake, the adaptor, master cylinder and re-doing all the hard lines cost me R2000.
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Postby irelhard » Thu May 09, 2013 3:43 pm

thanks will give him a call

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Postby AlexTDi » Thu May 09, 2013 3:45 pm

Including them doing the labour? I read you did it yourself and I'm not that good at DIY specially for brakes! :fear:

Can they do it with the motor in place?
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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby Torker » Thu May 09, 2013 6:04 pm

1.9TurboVw wrote:Including them doing the labour? I read you did it yourself and I'm not that good at DIY specially for brakes! :fear:

Can they do it with the motor in place?


It was about R1k to buy the adaptor and m/c and another R1k for labour to get the lines done. I've done everything except the lines myself, when I started on that it became painfully obvious that I didn't have the patience to carry it through so I had it done. I've seen a couple of Golfs where Piet did it with the motor in place can be done like that...
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Postby AlexTDi » Fri May 10, 2013 7:40 am

Torker wrote:
1.9TurboVw wrote:Including them doing the labour? I read you did it yourself and I'm not that good at DIY specially for brakes! :fear:

Can they do it with the motor in place?


It was about R1k to buy the adaptor and m/c and another R1k for labour to get the lines done. I've done everything except the lines myself, when I started on that it became painfully obvious that I didn't have the patience to carry it through so I had it done. I've seen a couple of Golfs where Piet did it with the motor in place can be done like that...


Cool will hopefully get this done soon :grin:
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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby irelhard » Fri May 10, 2013 11:42 am

Torker would you be able to post some pics of the bias and booster delete mod?

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Postby Torker » Fri May 10, 2013 1:04 pm

irelhard wrote:Torker would you be able to post some pics of the bias and booster delete mod?


Here you go:

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Postby irelhard » Fri May 10, 2013 1:34 pm

Nice man. i just wanted to confirm where you putted the Master. Thanks man

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Postby irelhard » Fri May 10, 2013 1:35 pm

How is the pedal softness without the booster?

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Postby Torker » Fri May 10, 2013 1:40 pm

irelhard wrote:How is the pedal softness without the booster?


The brakes are very direct, no sponginess or travel on the pedal. The pedal is quite hard but the harder you step on it, the harder you brake. Much more feel w.r.t what's happening on the road and when the brakes are about to lock up.
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Postby irelhard » Fri May 10, 2013 1:42 pm

did it require mods to the current brake leaver?

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Postby Torker » Fri May 10, 2013 1:44 pm

irelhard wrote:did it require mods to the current brake leaver?


Pedal assembly stays the same you just have to mod the rod going through the firewall by cutting off the bracket in the front and rounding the end that goes into the master cylinder...
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Postby irelhard » Fri May 10, 2013 1:47 pm

okay will do so. Thanks again for the info. i see the the out on the Bias is from the Master C. ?

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Postby Torker » Fri May 10, 2013 1:50 pm

irelhard wrote:okay will do so. Thanks again for the info. i see the the out on the Bias is from the Master C. ?


No, I didn't pay attention when fitting it so I had to turn it around afterwards...
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Postby irelhard » Fri May 10, 2013 2:01 pm

o okay. hahah. will let you know how it comes along. thanks

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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby pluto » Wed May 15, 2013 7:25 am

Hey guys ,

Been looking around with no luck . I want to turf the booster but leave the MC in the stock location. I dont have space on the drivers side to mount the MC.

Any ideas ? The darn brakes keeping going from hard to soft , pedal travel is way too much. I have replaced everything and am at my wits end.
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Re: Mk1 Brake bias

Postby AlexTDi » Wed May 15, 2013 7:28 am

Not sure on another location, Have you replaced the the stock hoses with steel braided hoses? They could be expanding with the heat.. Axle nut tight and torque'd to 265nm?
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