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Postby s_d_p2.0 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:47 pm

What do you guys think about Additives...

I Was looking into this

http://www.liqui-moly.co.za/?p=182#more-182

is it worth it?
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Postby panic-mechanic » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:06 pm

That's not so much of an additive in that you basically put it in once in a while. It's more a once of cleaner. Honestly haven't tried it so can't say.
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Postby MeanTdi » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:15 pm

The only additive I use is and injector cleaner every 15 000 klm's. I prefer Wynns Injector Cleaner (blue bottle) you can buy from a hyper or builders.
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Re: Additives

Postby tamper_man » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:16 pm

sheer_driving_pleasure2.0 wrote:What do you guys think about Additives...

I Was looking into this

http://www.liqui-moly.co.za/?p=182#more-182

is it worth it?

Doesn't that just do the same job as modern diesel formulations?
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Postby s_d_p2.0 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:11 pm

donno , its like R70 for 1L so its not pricey... guess i will buy it and see :)
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Postby ruan9n » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:17 am

I used wynns diesel boost all the time in the TDI, worked very well! Even chucked in a bit in meantdi's car once.
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Postby 4ePikanini » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:30 am

some additives work and some don't. Due to legislations regarding fuel and car design the additives may not be recommended or used as standard, but that does not mean they don't work.

2-stroke oil in your fuel at a 200:1 ratio is an old trick to clean carbon deposits from the valves, combustion chamber and exhaust ports as it burns with a de-carbonising effect. It can't be recommended by the fuel companies or car manufacturers as it slightly raises the CO2/km.

I would recommend using well known brands' injector cleaners as well as redex has been found to be good.

NB : Just be careful on diesels as some owner's have reported increased EGT's from injector cleaners.
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Re: Additives

Postby MeanTdi » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:05 am

ruan9n wrote:I used wynns diesel boost all the time in the TDI, worked very well! Even chucked in a bit in meantdi's car once.


I remember that! The highway run home did feel a little stronger. :evil:
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Postby ruan9n » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:12 am

MeanTdi wrote:
ruan9n wrote:I used wynns diesel boost all the time in the TDI, worked very well! Even chucked in a bit in meantdi's car once.


I remember that! The highway run home did feel a little stronger. :evil:


I'm too scared to try additives in the GTI (sparkplugs).
That wynns diesel boost really made my car smoke less and lighter on juice.
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Postby MeanTdi » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:20 am

ruan9n wrote:I'm too scared to try additives in the GTI (sparkplugs).


True.

ruan9n wrote:That wynns diesel boost really made my car smoke less and lighter on juice.


The cost of the additive will offset the improved fuel consumption, if any.
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Postby s_d_p2.0 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:33 pm

some of the products from liqui-moly says for use in VW Diesel....
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Postby WeRRieS » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:11 pm

MeanTdi wrote:The only additive I use is and injector cleaner every 15 000 klm's. I prefer Wynns Injector Cleaner (blue bottle) you can buy from a hyper or builders.
Sorry for the old thread revive guys.

MeanTdi - do you still use this cleaner? I wan't to try this cleaner. Was in for a service the other day at the dealer and they offered me a fuel system treatment...R495 (excl VAT)

My car has +- 45 000 km's on it and think it's time I look into this cleaner to prolong the injector lifespan.

Any cons to using this cleaner/additive?

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Postby MeanTdi » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:25 pm

WeRRieS wrote:
MeanTdi wrote:The only additive I use is and injector cleaner every 15 000 klm's. I prefer Wynns Injector Cleaner (blue bottle) you can buy from a hyper or builders.
Sorry for the old thread revive guys.

MeanTdi - do you still use this cleaner? I wan't to try this cleaner. Was in for a service the other day at the dealer and they offered me a fuel system treatment...R495 (excl VAT)

My car has +- 45 000 km's on it and think it's time I look into this cleaner to prolong the injector lifespan.

Any cons to using this cleaner/additive?


Yes, still do so every 15 000 klm's. No cons that I know of and no issues so far.
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Re: Additives

Postby GaVeN » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:19 am

Glad this thread was revived.
Was also thinking of throwing a bottle of injector cleaner in my MK4, as she is acting up lately and suspecting the injectors to be the culprit.

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Re: Additives

Postby trokza » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:42 am

Sorry for draging this out of the archives, but I have just got my Golf 5 GTi and would like to know if it is advisable to use Liqui Moly Proline System Petrol Cleaner.

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Postby dazza » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:36 pm

Have been using cetane booster in my car lately, there may be performance improvements but would need to get it onto a dyno to confirm
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Postby Tander » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:10 pm

I'm about to do a service on the Polo - I was wondering maybe flush the system - drain the old water in the radiator etc - put new water in with coolant. Then maybe some injector clearer as well?

Or is that just wasting money and time?

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Postby joggiep » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:46 pm

Can't do any harm on the polo.
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Postby 4ePikanini » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:26 pm

I use spanjaard diesel cleaner in the pajero and it definitely helped clear up some smoke at idle.

My injectors tips are very clean - although I use 250ml 2 stroke oil per tank of diesel as well.

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Re: Additives - Diesel cars and power improvement

Postby MeanTdi » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:41 pm

dazza wrote:Have been using cetane booster in my car lately, there may be performance improvements but would need to get it onto a dyno to confirm

Who else has used this and does it work on Diesel cars from a power improvement perspective?
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Postby 4ePikanini » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:19 pm

cetane boosters usually contain acetone or a derivative thereof which strips the lubricity of the diesel. Bad news for diesel HPFPs and injectors.

Just stick to plain diesel. If anything add 2stroke oil at a 1:200 mix. It adds lubricity and burns away carbon deposits.
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Postby MeanTdi » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:28 pm

Thanks for the reply bud.
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Postby MeanTdi » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:02 pm

Courtesy of CAR Magazine:

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Like I have said many times before, I would not add two stroke oil to diesel.
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Postby 4ePikanini » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:01 pm

Id love to see further details and evidence on the tests they did as it contridicts common findings all over the world.

On top of that I posted an independent study where they did find that 2SO adds lubricity so their test results and methods are debatable.

2SO is specifically designed to be blended in much larger quantities in petrol engines to aid lubricity in the engine which has much greater lubricity demands on the bearings than our injectors.

Their logic does not seem logical to me but because a large company post an unverified statement without backing proof by independent observers it must be true.

I suppose the lot of us that use it have been extremely lucky

I have only seen practical positive results and nothing but theoretical negatives.

Until someone gives hard physical evidence to prove it's not good, I will continue to use it.

PS : I suppose the clever germans at Mercedes weren't so clever when they did their long distance test with 2SO added to the diesel and experience no failure. Those engines must be truly awesome if they continue to be reliable even with the addition of 2SO.

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Postby chucker02 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:48 pm

I used wynns powerboost in my car once. Helped with pinging but didnt feel a difference in power
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