Foam Lance

[lawrence]

Yeah you're pretty much correct in terms of the amount of product you use and cost.

But like anything in life, you get what you pay for, honestly the cleaning ability is awesome. If you're looking at purely how much a product costs, then maybe it isn't for you. In the same breath what do you want out of a snow foam product?

Anything else you need to know has already been said by lambchop.

Well from my testing Avalance and VP snow foam are pretty much on par in terms of performance - BOTH are a 'runny'/strong cleaning snow foam and so the determining factor, in this case, IS price.... and I am struggling to justify spending 4 times as much on a product simply because all of the AF users say I should.

[lawrence]

At this point I am not trying to compare products in terms of their ability, but am purely trying to get my head around the actual cost per application of Avalanche....

Hopefully one of the AF guys can chime in and let me know if my calculations are correct....

I did a write up on the foam and dilution etc using avalanche... did you have a read?

I did - and seem to recall you mentioning 150ml Avalance plus 300ml of water....so pretty much as I suggested - around R40 per application?

[Lambchop]

At this point I am not trying to compare products in terms of their ability, but am purely trying to get my head around the actual cost per application of Avalanche....

Hopefully one of the AF guys can chime in and let me know if my calculations are correct....

I did a write up on the foam and dilution etc using avalanche... did you have a read?

I did - and seem to recall you mentioning 150ml Avalance plus 300ml of water....so pretty much as I suggested - around R40 per application?

I might have missed it but what ratios etc did you use for VP?

[lawrence]

At this point I am not trying to compare products in terms of their ability, but am purely trying to get my head around the actual cost per application of Avalanche....

Hopefully one of the AF guys can chime in and let me know if my calculations are correct....

I did a write up on the foam and dilution etc using avalanche... did you have a read?

I did - and seem to recall you mentioning 150ml Avalance plus 300ml of water....so pretty much as I suggested - around R40 per application?

I might have missed it but what ratios etc did you use for VP?

1:8 or 111ml to 1000ml which gives me 2 cars per bottle or roughly R13 per application so more like 1/3 of the price and not 1/4 of the price as I alluded to earlier....

[N3mo]

I get two uses from half bottle diluted avalanche in cannon.

But that's just me, different guys work in different ways.

I know from our past discussions Lawrence that cost of product has always been a major concern for you.

I personally have no issues dropping large amounts of cash on something that gives ME the performance I need in order for me to give the best result to my customers. They get what they pay for in the end.

This debate about cost etc will never end.

But it's like this, you'll get a golf 6R that will give a Ferrari a hiding for less the money. But which Car would you rather be in?

Its all relative to the consumer.

[lawrence]

I get two uses from half bottle diluted avalanche in cannon.

But that's just me, different guys work in different ways.

I know from our past discussions Lawrence that cost of product has always been a major concern for you.

I personally have no issues dropping large amounts of cash on something that gives ME the performance I need in order for me to give the best result to my customers. They get what they pay for in the end.

This debate about cost etc will never end.

But it's like this, you'll get a golf 6R that will give a Ferrari a hiding for less the money. But which Car would you rather be in?

Its all relative to the consumer.

Actually, I do not mind paying more for something that works better, but I am not prepared to pay more for something just for the sake of it..... and don't see why any person purchasing any product, detailing or not, would willingly do so....

If the Avalanche performed three times as well as the VP stuff I would happily pay 3 times the price, but the reality is, it doesn't.

So I will happily continue to be the dude the in the Golf R giving the Ferarri's a run for their money

[Kyle]

I get two uses from half bottle diluted avalanche in cannon.

But that's just me, different guys work in different ways.

I know from our past discussions Lawrence that cost of product has always been a major concern for you.

I personally have no issues dropping large amounts of cash on something that gives ME the performance I need in order for me to give the best result to my customers. They get what they pay for in the end.

This debate about cost etc will never end.

But it's like this, you'll get a golf 6R that will give a Ferrari a hiding for less the money. But which Car would you rather be in?

Its all relative to the consumer.

Actually, I do not mind paying more for something that works better, but I am not prepared to pay more for something just for the sake of it..... and don't see why any person purchasing any product, detailing or not, would willingly do so....

If the Avalanche performed three times as well as the VP stuff I would happily pay 3 times the price, but the reality is, it doesn't.

So I will happily continue to be the dude the in the Golf R giving the Ferarri's a run for their money

But you use maxi suds for details and not VP?

[lawrence]

I get two uses from half bottle diluted avalanche in cannon.

But that's just me, different guys work in different ways.

I know from our past discussions Lawrence that cost of product has always been a major concern for you.

I personally have no issues dropping large amounts of cash on something that gives ME the performance I need in order for me to give the best result to my customers. They get what they pay for in the end.

This debate about cost etc will never end.

But it's like this, you'll get a golf 6R that will give a Ferrari a hiding for less the money. But which Car would you rather be in?

Its all relative to the consumer.

Actually, I do not mind paying more for something that works better, but I am not prepared to pay more for something just for the sake of it..... and don't see why any person purchasing any product, detailing or not, would willingly do so....

If the Avalanche performed three times as well as the VP stuff I would happily pay 3 times the price, but the reality is, it doesn't.

So I will happily continue to be the dude the in the Golf R giving the Ferarri's a run for their money

But you use maxi suds for details and not VP?

OK bud

I am talking in the context of maintaining my own vehicle - in other words from the perspective of a car owner, not a detailer.

[Lambchop]

I get two uses from half bottle diluted avalanche in cannon.

But that's just me, different guys work in different ways.

I know from our past discussions Lawrence that cost of product has always been a major concern for you.

I personally have no issues dropping large amounts of cash on something that gives ME the performance I need in order for me to give the best result to my customers. They get what they pay for in the end.

This debate about cost etc will never end.

But it's like this, you'll get a golf 6R that will give a Ferrari a hiding for less the money. But which Car would you rather be in?

Its all relative to the consumer.

Actually, I do not mind paying more for something that works better, but I am not prepared to pay more for something just for the sake of it..... and don't see why any person purchasing any product, detailing or not, would willingly do so....

If the Avalanche performed three times as well as the VP stuff I would happily pay 3 times the price, but the reality is, it doesn't.

So I will happily continue to be the dude the in the Golf R giving the Ferarri's a run for their money

But you use maxi suds for details and not VP?

OK bud

I am talking in the context of maintaining my own vehicle - in other words from the perspective of a car owner, not a detailer.

[Kyle]

I get two uses from half bottle diluted avalanche in cannon.

But that's just me, different guys work in different ways.

I know from our past discussions Lawrence that cost of product has always been a major concern for you.

I personally have no issues dropping large amounts of cash on something that gives ME the performance I need in order for me to give the best result to my customers. They get what they pay for in the end.

This debate about cost etc will never end.

But it's like this, you'll get a golf 6R that will give a Ferrari a hiding for less the money. But which Car would you rather be in?

Its all relative to the consumer.

Actually, I do not mind paying more for something that works better, but I am not prepared to pay more for something just for the sake of it..... and don't see why any person purchasing any product, detailing or not, would willingly do so....

If the Avalanche performed three times as well as the VP stuff I would happily pay 3 times the price, but the reality is, it doesn't.

So I will happily continue to be the dude the in the Golf R giving the Ferarri's a run for their money

But you use maxi suds for details and not VP?

OK bud

I am talking in the context of maintaining my own vehicle - in other words from the perspective of a car owner, not a detailer.

But you were saying that you don't mind spending extra if the product works better at what it's designed to do...

VP is much better for foaming than maxi suds?

[Detail Driven]

Different strokes for different folks. Love avalanche cos it cleans well and most importantly on a maintainence wash not strip wax.

[ruthless roy]

But you were saying that you don't mind spending extra if the product works better at what it's designed to do...

Kyle, am I to understand from the above that you mean that Avalanche is better than VP..??

Please correct me if I am reading this wrong..

[N3mo]

Sunlight liquid foams like a boss.... I use it to foam my house and clean the roof areas.

Cleans well, nice foam, cheap as well

[lawrence]

Cheese and rice you AF lot are a defensive bunch who are all very eager to post when someone highlights concerns about AF products yet are otherwise (mostly) rather reluctant to share any real detailed knowledge - why can you not simply accept that there are products out there that perform as well for a lot less money and move on with life, instead of trying to pull apart every post I make in an attempt to detract from this?

Its rather exhausting to be frank!

Kyle, VP is NOT better at FOAMING than Maxi Suds - in fact, as I said earlier, VP is much closer to Avalanche - runny, if you will.

Depending on what I want out of the foam, I will use either VP or Maxi Suds - for example, if I have sprayed down the car with iron remover and want to extend its dwell time, then I would not use VP as it will pull the iron remover off the paint, but will rather reach for maxi suds which has a longer dwell time.

[Kyle]

But you were saying that you don't mind spending extra if the product works better at what it's designed to do...

Kyle, am I to understand from the above that you mean that Avalanche is better than VP..??

Please correct me if I am reading this wrong..

No bud that's not what I mean...

I meant that VP is better than maxi suds, when the topic of cost was brought up, Lawrence said he does not mind spending more on a product that works better....

So by that logic wouldn't he be using the VP snow foam?

[hostility]

Ok now I'm lost...opinions can be a beeeatch at times....what the hell do I put in my newly acquired Foam Lance? Coz I cant wait to use it lol

[Life160]

Ok now I'm lost...opinions can be a beeeatch at times....what the hell do I put in my newly acquired Foam Lance? Coz I cant wait to use it lol

Lololol!!!!!
Half Avalanche and half VP.

From a complete noob the following factors are important:
1. Price.
2. Instructions on the packaging.
3. Availability
4. Support

Once I understand and get a feel for cleaning properties - I can make a proper decision.

For now - I have a new bottle of Avalanche which I will use - using the new dilution rations. My next product will be VP. Maybe even try my Cyclo car shampoo mixed with VP Citrus.

[PoLonY]

Ok now I'm lost...opinions can be a beeeatch at times....what the hell do I put in my newly acquired Foam Lance? Coz I cant wait to use it lol

+1

[N3mo]

Lawrence, you asked us to chime in, so we did

We are brand ambassadors so we will back our products up.

With regards to sharing knowledge, there's plenty all over the internets. We prefer to stay out of the detailing wars as there are guys that are blind sided and think it's their was or no way. So we prefer to stay back.

But... If an AF product is mentioned, we back it up.

I personally have been attached to the performance area for quite a while. Giving advice when there's guys that think they know it all can get messy. Bashing of tuners and throwing claims around leads to tuner wars.

So I prefer to stay back and watch. Mention AF I will back it up. But you won't find me bashing products which I have used.

[hostility]

Ok now I'm lost...opinions can be a beeeatch at times....what the hell do I put in my newly acquired Foam Lance? Coz I cant wait to use it lol

Lololol!!!!!
Half Avalanche and half VP.

lol..there we go.....

I respect the opinions and advise of detailers......but hell when you 10 detailers with 10 different opinions....what does a nigga do.....

[mk2-phreak]

I trust "brand ambassadors" as much as I trust second hand car salesman. You're punting a product that you have some financial stake in. Lawrence has some valid points on cost vs effectiveness but thats being lost in translation.

[Caddyon]

I trust "brand ambassadors" as much as I trust second hand car salesman. You're punting a product that you have some financial stake in. Lawrence has some valid points on cost vs effectiveness but thats being lost in translation.

[lawrence]

Ok now I'm lost...opinions can be a beeeatch at times....what the hell do I put in my newly acquired Foam Lance? Coz I cant wait to use it lol

Lololol!!!!!
Half Avalanche and half VP.

lol..there we go.....

I respect the opinions and advise of detailers......but hell when you 10 detailers with 10 different opinions....what does a nigga do.....

The same thing you would do when deciding what bags to install, or what software to run..... your own research.

Get the opinions of many and sift out the truth from the marketing hyperbole

[Detail Driven]

Jeeez. Come in after a year and get bashed.

[Lambchop]

Is it Friday yet?