Foam Lance

[NHB_R]

Great!!
I'll pay as soon as stock is confirmed. Been waiting over a month.
Thanks bud!!


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[Pristine Detailing]

Great!!
I'll pay as soon as stock is confirmed. Been waiting over a month.
Thanks bud!!


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Thanks bud
Appreciate the support.

[ruthless roy]

Thanks. They getting stock tomorrow.
Assuming that I should also get the Avalanche foam? Any pre-wash alternatives other than AF?

Some swear by Avalanche but yes there are other alternatives.

I personally either use Valet Pro Advanced Neutral Snow Foam or Chemical Guys Maxi Suds II for pre-foaming.

I also use Valet Pro Citrus Pre-wash as a pre-wash (i.e. before even putting foam on the car), but AF do make a similar product called Citrus Power.

The Valet Pro and Chemical Guys stuff can be found at our other detailing forum sponsor, Crazy Detailer. http://www.crazydetailer.co.za/

I can relate to this on some level.

Having used Valet Pro's Citrus Pre-wash before and impressed with it, I decided this past weekend to try it in my foam canon.

The main reason for trying it in the canon was to see whether it would foam and to spread the product quickly as opposed to using the conventional misting with a spray bottle method. I put in about an inch worth of product + warm water filled right to the top. I thought it wouldnt foam and wasnt expecting it to.

What i can say is that I was pleasantly surprised. The mixture did foam - not the thick shaving foam consistency but more akin/similar to the AF Avalanche consistency. The cleaning power/ability did not disappoint as well. The cars almost didn't need a wash after the foam was removed. One of the best things were that with one full bottle I did two cars.

The product was never meant to be used a 'snow foam' but should nothing else be available or you are in a spot, it will definitely do and it will certainly work better than a conventional wash shampoo.

Price wise it also offers great value. Price at R165 per liter, its the same price as Valet Pro's Ph neutral snow foam and significantly cheaper than the same brand Advance snow foam..

It also comes in slightly cheaper than Auto Finesse's Avalanche at R195 per litre. I have used Avalanche before and its a great product, I just have an issue with their advertised dilution ratios on the web and youtube, but that's another story for another day..

[Pristine Detailing]

"...have used Avalanche before and its a great product, I just have an issue with their advertised dilution ratios on the web and youtube, but that's another story for another day..[/quote]

Yeah the dilution ratios tend to be a bit confusing...if one follows the ratios on the bottle and fills the cannon bottle to the top you will over dilute it. The best dilution we have found is an inch or 2 of Avalanche and fill the bottle to just about halfway...that's enough to do an entire vehicle.

Below is a link to my own lil demo video I did for our foam cannon using the dilution stated above.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=66 ... =2&theater

[NHB_R]

Any news on stock?


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[Life160]

Any news on stock?


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Collected mine yesterday.
Check the AF web store.

[ruthless roy]

Yeah the dilution ratios tend to be a bit confusing...if one follows the ratios on the bottle and fills the cannon bottle to the top you will over dilute it. The best dilution we have found is an inch or 2 of Avalanche and fill the bottle to just about halfway...that's enough to do an entire vehicle.

Below is a link to my own lil demo video I did for our foam cannon using the dilution stated above.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=66 ... =2&theater

I hear what you saying but if you look at that video that was posted earlier in this thread and the dilution ratios shown - its very misleading bordering on being untrue

That ratio just does not work

[Kyle]

Yeah the dilution ratios tend to be a bit confusing...if one follows the ratios on the bottle and fills the cannon bottle to the top you will over dilute it. The best dilution we have found is an inch or 2 of Avalanche and fill the bottle to just about halfway...that's enough to do an entire vehicle.

Below is a link to my own lil demo video I did for our foam cannon using the dilution stated above.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=66 ... =2&theater

I hear what you saying but if you look at that video that was posted earlier in this thread and the dilution ratios shown - its very misleading bordering on being untrue

That ratio just does not work

Depends on the pressure output of your hp washer as well bud.

[ruthless roy]

Yeah the dilution ratios tend to be a bit confusing...if one follows the ratios on the bottle and fills the cannon bottle to the top you will over dilute it. The best dilution we have found is an inch or 2 of Avalanche and fill the bottle to just about halfway...that's enough to do an entire vehicle.

Below is a link to my own lil demo video I did for our foam cannon using the dilution stated above.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=66 ... =2&theater

I hear what you saying but if you look at that video that was posted earlier in this thread and the dilution ratios shown - its very misleading bordering on being untrue

That ratio just does not work

Depends on the pressure output of your hp washer as well bud.

Ok, so how much pressure is needed..??

[Kyle]

Yeah the dilution ratios tend to be a bit confusing...if one follows the ratios on the bottle and fills the cannon bottle to the top you will over dilute it. The best dilution we have found is an inch or 2 of Avalanche and fill the bottle to just about halfway...that's enough to do an entire vehicle.

Below is a link to my own lil demo video I did for our foam cannon using the dilution stated above.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=66 ... =2&theater

I hear what you saying but if you look at that video that was posted earlier in this thread and the dilution ratios shown - its very misleading bordering on being untrue

That ratio just does not work

Depends on the pressure output of your hp washer as well bud.

Ok, so how much pressure is needed..??

Not sure, my HP washer was fine when it was new, but it's getting a little tired now and I can see a distinct drop in foaming ability

[lawrence]

Not sure, my HP washer was fine when it was new, but it's getting a little tired now and I can see a distinct drop in foaming ability

Even after cleaning out the gauze?

[Life160]

I hear what you saying but if you look at that video that was posted earlier in this thread and the dilution ratios shown - its very misleading bordering on being untrue

That ratio just does not work

Depends on the pressure output of your hp washer as well bud.

Ok, so how much pressure is needed..??

Not sure, my HP washer was fine when it was new, but it's getting a little tired now and I can see a distinct drop in foaming ability

My Karcher is going in for a service tomorrow.
Basic service is R187. They recommend a service every 6 months...


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[Kyle]

Not sure, my HP washer was fine when it was new, but it's getting a little tired now and I can see a distinct drop in foaming ability

Even after cleaning out the gauze?

Yeah I guess the cannon was fine, not much dirt came out...

My Karcher is going in for a service tomorrow.
Basic service is R187. They recommend a service every 6 months...


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Where do they do that??

[Life160]

Not sure, my HP washer was fine when it was new, but it's getting a little tired now and I can see a distinct drop in foaming ability

Even after cleaning out the gauze?

Yeah I guess the cannon was fine, not much dirt came out...

My Karcher is going in for a service tomorrow.
Basic service is R187. They recommend a service every 6 months...


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Where do they do that??

A few different spots. Check out the Karcher site. Easiest for me is Karcher East Rand (Germiston).

Check out their site for your closest agent or repair centre.


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[ruthless roy]

Not sure, my HP washer was fine when it was new, but it's getting a little tired now and I can see a distinct drop in foaming ability

What HP washer do you have..??

[Pristine Detailing]

Yeah the dilution ratios tend to be a bit confusing...if one follows the ratios on the bottle and fills the cannon bottle to the top you will over dilute it. The best dilution we have found is an inch or 2 of Avalanche and fill the bottle to just about halfway...that's enough to do an entire vehicle.

Below is a link to my own lil demo video I did for our foam cannon using the dilution stated above.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=66 ... =2&theater

I hear what you saying but if you look at that video that was posted earlier in this thread and the dilution ratios shown - its very misleading bordering on being untrue

That ratio just does not work

Which ratio. Are u referring to? On the bottle or the one I recommended to you? The video I posted and the video I sent to you using the cannon I replaced is exactly the ratio I recommended you use.
It could be lack of pressure bud on your machine. This is what I use and I get the same consistency every time.
Avalanch is not like other snow foams...u won't get a thick shaving foam effect that will cling to the car...it foams, lifts the dirt and runs off...

[Lambchop]

I have had 3 karcher machines over the past 7 years every single one of they broke due to the cylinder head cracking from fatigue due to the constant build up and release of pressure. If you want a better machine get a K7 or one from the pro range these machines come with a brass cylinder head which will reduce this type of failure ...

For the foam to be effective you need anything from 120-160 bar of pressure as far as I know all K series karchers will produce that kind of power.

I see there is a lot of controversy around avalanche .. My recommendation would be to use an inch of product and fill up the bottle to just under the half way mark with hot water. Another misconception I have seen is that Avalanche doesn't create the shaving foam effect.. Avalanche isn't designed to create the shaving foam effect its designed to be applied and to run off taking the dirt with it . over the last few weeks I have been trying different shampoos and from a non biased point of view and they don't provide any cleaning action. The thick shaving foam is more of a selling point than a functional aspect.

[N3mo]

I'll just leave this here..

[ruthless roy]

Which ratio. Are u referring to? On the bottle or the one I recommended to you? The video I posted and the video I sent to you using the cannon I replaced is exactly the ratio I recommended you use.
It could be lack of pressure bud on your machine. This is what I use and I get the same consistency every time.
Avalanch is not like other snow foams...u won't get a thick shaving foam effect that will cling to the car...it foams, lifts the dirt and runs off...

The one in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvkmR-vpf4E

The ratio you recommended works fine...

I know it wont have the thick shaving foam consistency, and i don't care about that. For me the cleaning abilities are more important than anything else...

As I mentioned, Avalanche is great product and its not my intention to come across as dissing the product, I wont cos as I said its a great product. What I did say though is that the ratio that is advertised is misleading..

These are just my experiences or maybe my machine is just farked...

[lawrence]

Please can you clarify this for me....

Despite advertised dilution ratios, you are saying dilute it at 1 to 2 inches and only fill the foam cannon bottle up halfway.

Firstly, is it 1" or 2", as the one is literally double the dilution ratio? Surely we can narrow it down to an actual dilution ratio? If 1" works, why tell us to use twice the amount of product needed? Sorry but I think it is only fair to know for sure what we should be diluting it at, if we are to objectively compare this product vs other alternatives in terms of cost per application.

Secondly, does anyone know what the actual volume of neat avalanche this equates to? My estimation is that it could be somewhere between 150ml (1") and 300ml (2"), and if only half the foam cannon bottle is used, I would guess you will only get 1 car out of this.

This means that if you were to purchase a 1l Avalanche you would be paying R195 for 5'ish washes.... or close on R40 per foaming application.

Is this correct?

[Caddyon]

Please can you clarify this for me....

Despite advertised dilution ratios, you are saying dilute it at 1 to 2 inches and only fill the foam cannon bottle up halfway.

Firstly, is it 1" or 2", as the one is literally double the dilution ratio? Surely we can narrow it down to an actual dilution ratio? If 1" works, why tell us to use twice the amount of product needed? Sorry but I think it is only fair to know for sure what we should be diluting it at, if we are to objectively compare this product vs other alternatives in terms of cost per application.

Secondly, does anyone know what the actual volume of neat avalanche this equates to? My estimation is that it could be somewhere between 150ml (1") and 300ml (2"), and if only half the foam cannon bottle is used, I would guess you will only get 1 car out of this.

This means that if you were to purchase a 1l Avalanche you would be paying R195 for 5'ish washes.... or close on R40 per foaming application.

Is this correct?

Bring and come with maxi Suds II, 1 litre lasted me like 6 months and that was with washing my car pretty much every weekend +-
I just have a karcher foamer and i use maxi suds II and am more than happy with the results

[Kyle]

Please can you clarify this for me....

Despite advertised dilution ratios, you are saying dilute it at 1 to 2 inches and only fill the foam cannon bottle up halfway.

Firstly, is it 1" or 2", as the one is literally double the dilution ratio? Surely we can narrow it down to an actual dilution ratio? If 1" works, why tell us to use twice the amount of product needed? Sorry but I think it is only fair to know for sure what we should be diluting it at, if we are to objectively compare this product vs other alternatives in terms of cost per application.

Secondly, does anyone know what the actual volume of neat avalanche this equates to? My estimation is that it could be somewhere between 150ml (1") and 300ml (2"), and if only half the foam cannon bottle is used, I would guess you will only get 1 car out of this.

This means that if you were to purchase a 1l Avalanche you would be paying R195 for 5'ish washes.... or close on R40 per foaming application.

Is this correct?

Bring and come with maxi Suds II, 1 litre lasted me like 6 months and that was with washing my car pretty much every weekend +-
I just have a karcher foamer and i use maxi suds II and am more than happy with the results

Another misconception I have seen is that Avalanche doesn't create the shaving foam effect.. Avalanche isn't designed to create the shaving foam effect its designed to be applied and to run off taking the dirt with it . over the last few weeks I have been trying different shampoos and from a non biased point of view and they don't provide any cleaning action. The thick shaving foam is more of a selling point than a functional aspect.

[lawrence]

At this point I am not trying to compare products in terms of their ability, but am purely trying to get my head around the actual cost per application of Avalanche....

Hopefully one of the AF guys can chime in and let me know if my calculations are correct....

[Kyle]

Yeah you're pretty much correct in terms of the amount of product you use and cost.

But like anything in life, you get what you pay for, honestly the cleaning ability is awesome. If you're looking at purely how much a product costs, then maybe it isn't for you. In the same breath what do you want out of a snow foam product?

Anything else you need to know has already been said by lambchop.

[Lambchop]

At this point I am not trying to compare products in terms of their ability, but am purely trying to get my head around the actual cost per application of Avalanche....

Hopefully one of the AF guys can chime in and let me know if my calculations are correct....

I did a write up on the foam and dilution etc using avalanche... did you have a read?