Buff Machine Speeds

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:45 am

I am busy getting some stuff together to detail my ride.

The buff machine i'll be using is a Makita with adjustbable speeds.

What speed setting should i use when buffing?

should i press the machine hard against the car or should i let it glide across the car.

i've buffed the car b4 using a high speed and pressed very hard, ended up burning the clearcoat in some areas and added a whole lot of swirls.

would like to fix this and do it right this time round.

any help will be appreciated.

salo mk2 · Post by **salo mk2** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:51 am

detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=66024

That's has all the info you're looking for. Quite informative.

lawrence · Post by **lawrence** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:17 pm

Is your machine a DA or rotary polisher?

With my DA I used the following settings

Swirl removal - speed setting 4 to 5, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure
Glazing - speed setting 3 to 4, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure but on the last 2 passes, only the weight of the machine
Wax/sealant application - speed setting 3, only the weight of the machine

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:27 pm

salo mk2 wrote:detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=66024

That's has all the info you're looking for. Quite informative.

tx for the link, info overload, but usefull.

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:07 pm

lawrence wrote:Is your machine a DA or rotary polisher?

With my DA I used the following settings

Swirl removal - speed setting 4 to 5, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure
Glazing - speed setting 3 to 4, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure but on the last 2 passes, only the weight of the machine
Wax/sealant application - speed setting 3, only the weight of the machine

im using a rotary polisher.

will abovementioned speeds apply to the rotary polisher as well.

did you use the same buffing pad for glazing, swirl removal and wax/sealant?

onyx · Post by **onyx** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:28 pm

zane.mk1 wrote:
lawrence wrote:Is your machine a DA or rotary polisher?

With my DA I used the following settings

Swirl removal - speed setting 4 to 5, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure
Glazing - speed setting 3 to 4, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure but on the last 2 passes, only the weight of the machine
Wax/sealant application - speed setting 3, only the weight of the machine
im using a rotary polisher.

will abovementioned speeds apply to the rotary polisher as well.

did you use the same buffing pad for glazing, swirl removal and wax/sealant?

Your last question worries me

Rather get an old panel and practice for a while before you decide to do some serious damage to you paintwork.
OR
Pay someone in the know to do it for you and then its up to you to maintain that finish.

zain_c · Post by **zain_c** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:53 pm

I've never used a machine on my car just in case i f*ck it up...IMO the paintwork still looks awesome after 8yrs. Still has the orange peel effect and the colour is deep and glossy.

I'm using the Autoglym SRP and Autoglym extra gloss protection (sealant).

Handjobs FTW!

onyx · Post by **onyx** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:00 pm

zainyboymk1 wrote:I've never used a machine on my car just in case i f*ck it up...IMO the paintwork still looks awesome after 8yrs. Still has the orange peel effect and the colour is deep and glossy.

I'm using the Autoglym SRP and Autoglym extra gloss protection (sealant).

Handjobs FTW!

SRP + EGP...

zain_c · Post by **zain_c** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:02 pm

sorry for the hijack....but where can i get Autoglym clay?

onyx · Post by **onyx** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:05 pm

zainyboymk1 wrote:sorry for the hijack....but where can i get Autoglym clay?

www.crazydetailer.co.za

Why Autoglym Clay though?

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:07 pm

onyx wrote:
zane.mk1 wrote:
lawrence wrote:Is your machine a DA or rotary polisher?

With my DA I used the following settings

Swirl removal - speed setting 4 to 5, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure
Glazing - speed setting 3 to 4, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure but on the last 2 passes, only the weight of the machine
Wax/sealant application - speed setting 3, only the weight of the machine
im using a rotary polisher.

will abovementioned speeds apply to the rotary polisher as well.

did you use the same buffing pad for glazing, swirl removal and wax/sealant?
Your last question worries me
Rather get an old panel and practice for a while before you decide to do some serious damage to you paintwork.
OR
Pay someone in the know to do it for you and then its up to you to maintain that finish.

i would like to do this myself, so some help would be appreciated. what type of buffing pads should i get? my paintwork is in quite a sorry state. dull and full of scratches. the roof is also starting to fade.

i initially wanted to pay sum1 to do it for me so i though, stuff it, i'll read up on the whole detailing process and try an do it myself.

zain_c · Post by **zain_c** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:09 pm

I like sticking to one brand...and from my experience with Autoglym, the results are alway excellent.

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:13 pm

zainyboymk1 wrote:I've never used a machine on my car just in case i f*ck it up...IMO the paintwork still looks awesome after 8yrs. Still has the orange peel effect and the colour is deep and glossy.

I'm using the Autoglym SRP and Autoglym extra gloss protection (sealant).

Handjobs FTW!

i know you told me its in cavendish square, but what the name of the place and price?

need to get some stuff together.

anyhoo, there so many stuff on the market i dont know what to get. the easiest i can get would be megs products. but after having a look at the prices of stuff on crazy detailer, i might as well order the whole katoot from them.

onyx · Post by **onyx** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:18 pm

Read... research... read more.... and then practice on your buddies car

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:22 pm

onyx wrote:Read... research... read more.... and then practice on your buddies car

thought about that just now.

lawrence · Post by **lawrence** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:22 pm

zane.mk1 wrote:
lawrence wrote:Is your machine a DA or rotary polisher?

With my DA I used the following settings

Swirl removal - speed setting 4 to 5, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure
Glazing - speed setting 3 to 4, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure but on the last 2 passes, only the weight of the machine
Wax/sealant application - speed setting 3, only the weight of the machine
im using a rotary polisher.

will abovementioned speeds apply to the rotary polisher as well.

did you use the same buffing pad for glazing, swirl removal and wax/sealant?

Nope, an orange Lake country pad for swirl removal, the green one for glazing and a cheap ass one that came with my shield da for applying wax. You can go read my rides thread... I posted up a full write up on the detailing I did last weekend on my polo.

lawrence · Post by **lawrence** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:24 pm

zainyboymk1 wrote:I've never used a machine on my car just in case i f*ck it up...IMO the paintwork still looks awesome after 8yrs. Still has the orange peel effect and the colour is deep and glossy.

I'm using the Autoglym SRP and Autoglym extra gloss protection (sealant).

Handjobs FTW!

I think it will be pretty hard to **** your paint up with a DA polisher. And you will honestly be surprised at how much better your paint will look once done

and as for the orange peel effect, from what I understand this is not something you want, as it will distort the reflection of light off you paint thereby decreasing the mirror effect/shine?

xion · Post by **xion** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:13 pm

+1 to what onyx said,

With a rotary research then practice on a scrap panel. Rotary has a learning curve and it takes time to master with different pads and products. Once you get it it becomes easier .... Product and pads and backing plates also make big difference when buffing with a rotary some products dust really bad so it helps to do your homework 1st.

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:04 am

xion wrote:+1 to what onyx said,

With a rotary research then practice on a scrap panel. Rotary has a learning curve and it takes time to master with different pads and products. Once you get it it becomes easier .... Product and pads and backing plates also make big difference when buffing with a rotary some products dust really bad so it helps to do your homework 1st.

tx, will do.

Tdi jetta 4 ever · Post by **Tdi jetta 4 ever** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:20 am

4 answers/tips to your question.
1, About 70% of your machines maximum speed.
2, Little force, about 3 kg.
3, Try not to keep the machine at one spot, move it side ways.
4, Do a panel at a time.

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:14 am

Tdi jetta 4 ever wrote:4 answers/tips to your question.
1, About 70% of your machines maximum speed.
2, Little force, about 3 kg.
3, Try not to keep the machine at one spot, move it side ways.
4, Do a panel at a time.

tx for the tips. i really wanna be sure how to properly use the thing b4 applying it to my car.

Tdi jetta 4 ever · Post by **Tdi jetta 4 ever** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:20 pm

zane.mk1 wrote:
Tdi jetta 4 ever wrote:4 answers/tips to your question.
1, About 70% of your machines maximum speed.
2, Little force, about 3 kg.
3, Try not to keep the machine at one spot, move it side ways.
4, Do a panel at a time.
tx for the tips. i really wanna be sure how to properly use the thing b4 applying it to my car.

Pleasure, let us know how it went. You will get the feeling eventually.

zane.mk1 · Post by **zane.mk1** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:05 am

will do a full write up.

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:39 am

lawrence wrote:Is your machine a DA or rotary polisher?

With my DA I used the following settings

Swirl removal - speed setting 4 to 5, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure
Glazing - speed setting 3 to 4, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure but on the last 2 passes, only the weight of the machine
Wax/sealant application - speed setting 3, only the weight of the machine

really keen to take my detailing to the next step , also scared of machines but cant get the swirls out by hand .. I just dont understand how you know what force you are appling ?? dont even think ill be able to apply that much just curious - is it something that you can feel more once you are busy operating the machine ?

lawrence · Post by **lawrence** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:48 am

Wit Blitz wrote:
lawrence wrote:Is your machine a DA or rotary polisher?

With my DA I used the following settings

Swirl removal - speed setting 4 to 5, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure
Glazing - speed setting 3 to 4, with about 5kg to 10kg of downward pressure but on the last 2 passes, only the weight of the machine
Wax/sealant application - speed setting 3, only the weight of the machine
really keen to take my detailing to the next step , also scared of machines but cant get the swirls out by hand .. I just dont understand how you know what force you are appling ?? dont even think ill be able to apply that much just curious - is it something that you can feel more once you are busy operating the machine ?

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