PD130 Injectors

[ruan9n]

But I do remember guys on tdiclub (think it eas there) saying those PD100/PD105 injectors are good for 200bhp.

I am not sure that's correct. I've made a bit of reading on the subject and apparently they max out at 150-165bhp (170 for guys that are really pushing it)

ATW or ATF? My TDi made 149.5hp ATW on Saturday and I have seen MeanTDI's make 180hp ATW on the same dyno, a long time ago, and we are both running stock PD130 injectors...

But you can get to 140kw with the usual upgrades the guys here with a bigger turbo.

Even with a turbo upgrade i would get to a maximum of about 120kw (And that's me being VERY optimistic) because of the power the injectors can handle. Ruan9n's injectors are almost maxed out at 110kw. So I guess it'll be the same for mines.

What engine have you go again? Ruan's running stock PD100 injectors...

He has a 1.9tdi highline (pd100) and also has dreams like me of having a lambo thrashing TDI

Dieseltorquetdi seems to have reach the KW threshold of what a 1.9 will do. Even with a complete pd160 makeover you'll end at 155-160kw 500-550nm cant see that it would do anymore.

[Neuk]

He has a 1.9tdi highline (pd100) and also has dreams like me of having a lambo thrashing TDI

Keep dreaming

Dieseltorquetdi seems to have reach the KW threshold of what a 1.9 will do. Even with a complete pd160 makeover you'll end at 155-160kw 500-550nm cant see that it would do anymore.

I presume you mean ATW? And no, there is more to be had as he hasn't even reached into the realm of hybrid turbo's, larger injectors, LPG/NOS/WMI, etc. But I also wonder what the practical limit is as wear and tear items obviously don't last forever...

[ruan9n]

Yes ATW and his is a daily drive aswell.
Wont go near NOS on a TDI or LPG, LPG is a lot bigger overseas afaik.
This is all pd160 orientated stuff as its cost effective and pretty much bolt-on stuff. Are there larger injectors available for a PD polo larger than pd130/160?

Would be nice to see some touareg stuff on a polo i.e. INJECTORS and its VNT20. Pair that with a HUGE fmic, WMI and 63mm turboback and a very sorted induction-200kw? who knows what the possibilities are of what a 1.9tdi can handle without opening the engine

[Sinbad]

Would be nice to see some touareg stuff on a polo i.e. INJECTORS and its VNT20. Pair that with a HUGE fmic, WMI and 63mm turboback and a very sorted induction-200kw?

Well, I'm part of the way there...
Anyone got a VNT20 and some Touareg injectors for me?

[ruan9n]

me too if you look at it that way
exhaust,fmic, induction


What about WMI? I'm too scared to run it at the moment! WMI wont make my injectors or turbo work any harder right?

[Sinbad]

me too if you look at it that way
exhaust,fmic, induction


What about WMI? I'm too scared to run it at the moment! WMI wont make my injectors or turbo work any harder right?

Properly matched and setup WMI will make your turbo have an easier time - lower EGTs. Your rinjectors may work harder though, as there is higher charge density in the cylinder therefore the ECU can request more fuel...

I had it on my volvo, had no problems until the accessory belt sliced through the water feed line which had somehow worked loose from where it was stashed...

I have heard horror stories of systems not shutting off properly and pumping the throttle hose full of water overnight, resulting in the need for a new engine the next morning, though.

[ruan9n]

me too if you look at it that way
exhaust,fmic, induction


What about WMI? I'm too scared to run it at the moment! WMI wont make my injectors or turbo work any harder right?

Properly matched and setup WMI will make your turbo have an easier time - lower EGTs. Your rinjectors may work harder though, as there is higher charge density in the cylinder therefore the ECU can request more fuel...

I had it on my volvo, had no problems until the accessory belt sliced through the water feed line which had somehow worked loose from where it was stashed...

I have heard horror stories of systems not shutting off properly and pumping the throttle hose full of water overnight, resulting in the need for a new engine the next morning, though.

This is what I have heard also, as the afrikaans saying goes- liewer bang jan as dooie jan! Was looking into it as its the last mod I can do thats not related to changing the turbo or injectors

[Neuk]

Yes ATW and his is a daily drive aswell.
Wont go near NOS on a TDI or LPG, LPG is a lot bigger overseas afaik.
This is all pd160 orientated stuff as its cost effective and pretty much bolt-on stuff. Are there larger injectors available for a PD polo larger than pd130/160?

Would be nice to see some touareg stuff on a polo i.e. INJECTORS and its VNT20. Pair that with a HUGE fmic, WMI and 63mm turboback and a very sorted induction-200kw? who knows what the possibilities are of what a 1.9tdi can handle without opening the engine

Have a look at the link I posted earlier VNT20+, Injectors/Nozzles, LPG, NOS, FMIC, etc, etc has all been done before On a Skoda, not a Polo, but it was a daily until recently, as far as I have heard and it made 260hp ATF... I won't risk a lot of modifications on my daily as I need the car, but one day hope to have a TDI testbed...

[Neuk]

me too if you look at it that way
exhaust,fmic, induction


What about WMI? I'm too scared to run it at the moment! WMI wont make my injectors or turbo work any harder right?

Properly matched and setup WMI will make your turbo have an easier time - lower EGTs. Your rinjectors may work harder though, as there is higher charge density in the cylinder therefore the ECU can request more fuel...

I had it on my volvo, had no problems until the accessory belt sliced through the water feed line which had somehow worked loose from where it was stashed...

I have heard horror stories of systems not shutting off properly and pumping the throttle hose full of water overnight, resulting in the need for a new engine the next morning, though.

Yep, WMI works well when it works as it should but is risky if something goes wrong...

[serwill]

Give me injector part numbers you looking for and i can see if i can find sme and a good price for you.
You will have to do remap the car like the guys said as there is no lambda probe to correct the amount of fuel being injected.

Only the new pd and common rail systems have lambda with 4x exhuast gas temp sensors to correct and adjust fueling and timming.

ATW or ATF? My TDi made 149.5hp ATW on Saturday and I have seen MeanTDI's make 180hp ATW on the same dyno, a long time ago, and we are both running stock PD130 injectors...

That's at the wheel Nic.

Thanks man but i got the injectors already... From an A4 1.9 TDI. Trying to get a turbo as well but i think i'll go the PD130 route. Dont want to put too much strain on my engines pistons, conrods and on my clutch. So think i'll stick to about 125-130kw You guys think that'll be alright?

He has a 1.9tdi highline (pd100) and also has dreams like me of having a lambo thrashing TDI

U got that right Ruan

[Neuk]

ATW or ATF? My TDi made 149.5hp ATW on Saturday and I have seen MeanTDI's make 180hp ATW on the same dyno, a long time ago, and we are both running stock PD130 injectors...

That's at the wheel Nic.

Sounds a bit low seeing what I made, what MeanTDI has made and what DieselTorque is making and none of us have upgraded injectors...

Thanks man but i got the injectors already... From an A4 1.9 TDI. Trying to get a turbo as well but i think i'll go the PD130 route. Dont want to put too much strain on my engines pistons, conrods and on my clutch. So think i'll stick to about 125-130kw You guys think that'll be alright?

Don't forget the PD100 Sportline has smaller CV's, sideshafts and brakes than a PD130 Sportline

[Sensorei]

My point of view is- my turbo boosts 1.6 because my ECU requests 1.6, if I fit a pd160 turbo which is much larger it will stil boost 1.6 as that is what the ECU requests it will not boost 1.8 because its bigger. It will just work less harder. This is how i'm seeing the injector debate.

Ruan I assume you just using 1.6 bar as an example right? What bar/psi does your turbo boost at (sustained not spike) to get that 110kw of goodness out of a pd100? I know you have the other mods as well but I'm wondering how much I'd need to strain my turbo get the same power with fmic+intake+zaust. My KP39 boosts to around the same safe limit as the vnt15.

[serwill]

Sounds a bit low seeing what I made, what MeanTDI has made and what DieselTorque is making and none of us have upgraded injectors...

That's from stock PD100 injectors. you guys are running PD130 injectors if im not mistaken

Don't forget the PD100 Sportline has smaller CV's

What's CV's?

[ruan9n]

My point of view is- my turbo boosts 1.6 because my ECU requests 1.6, if I fit a pd160 turbo which is much larger it will stil boost 1.6 as that is what the ECU requests it will not boost 1.8 because its bigger. It will just work less harder. This is how i'm seeing the injector debate.

Ruan I assume you just using 1.6 bar as an example right? What bar/psi does your turbo boost at (sustained not spike) to get that 110kw of goodness out of a pd100? I know you have the other mods as well but I'm wondering how much I'd need to strain my turbo get the same power with fmic+intake+zaust. My KP39 boosts to around the same safe limit as the vnt15.

Thats dimsport for you! Yes my car boosts 1.6 from what has been derived from my logs

[Sensorei]

My point of view is- my turbo boosts 1.6 because my ECU requests 1.6, if I fit a pd160 turbo which is much larger it will stil boost 1.6 as that is what the ECU requests it will not boost 1.8 because its bigger. It will just work less harder. This is how i'm seeing the injector debate.

Ruan I assume you just using 1.6 bar as an example right? What bar/psi does your turbo boost at (sustained not spike) to get that 110kw of goodness out of a pd100? I know you have the other mods as well but I'm wondering how much I'd need to strain my turbo get the same power with fmic+intake+zaust. My KP39 boosts to around the same safe limit as the vnt15.

Thats dimsport for you! Yes my car boosts 1.6 from what has been derived from my logs

Ouch 1.6 bar is high! 23psi! You sure thats not what your boosts spikes/peaks at? That is around the upper safe limit of a VNT17 I'm confused now coz I have read all over that VNT15s and KP39s should not be remapped to boost over 19-20psi MAX! But I know Trevor knows what he is doing. Hmmmm. 19psi would spike to about 23psi I'd think. I hope thats whats going on. I also want 110kw but I was hoping to boost around 19/20psi.

[ruan9n]

You have a G5 1.9tdi and it goes to 2.0tdi power when remapped (103kw) cant see that you cant makje that up with exhaust and intake mods also doing something about the fmic that sits inbetween the radiators

[Neuk]

Sounds a bit low seeing what I made, what MeanTDI has made and what DieselTorque is making and none of us have upgraded injectors...

That's from stock PD100 injectors. you guys are running PD130 injectors if im not mistaken

Aaaah - Gotcha Thought you said that was max with the PD130 injectors...

Don't forget the PD100 Sportline has smaller CV's

What's CV's?

CV's are a joint from the gearbox to the driveshaft, and then from teh driveshaft to the hub if I am not mistaken...

http://www.automedia.com/CV_Rehab/ccr20021101cv/1

[Neuk]

Ruan I assume you just using 1.6 bar as an example right? What bar/psi does your turbo boost at (sustained not spike) to get that 110kw of goodness out of a pd100? I know you have the other mods as well but I'm wondering how much I'd need to strain my turbo get the same power with fmic+intake+zaust. My KP39 boosts to around the same safe limit as the vnt15.

Thats dimsport for you! Yes my car boosts 1.6 from what has been derived from my logs

Ouch 1.6 bar is high! 23psi! You sure thats not what your boosts spikes/peaks at? That is around the upper safe limit of a VNT17 I'm confused now coz I have read all over that VNT15s and KP39s should not be remapped to boost over 19-20psi MAX! But I know Trevor knows what he is doing. Hmmmm. 19psi would spike to about 23psi I'd think. I hope thats whats going on. I also want 110kw but I was hoping to boost around 19/20psi.

Then you won't like boost levels on a remapped VNT1749Va or Vb for that matter Logged mine last week and she is at around 1.7 bar and mapped a certain someone's standard Ibiza Cupra TDi last night, and saw 1.5 bar...

[ruan9n]

Dazza's??? Trevor?

Nic, your doing a constant 1.7 so your spike would be 2?
The spike is only in the 1st 2gears right? And if I understand correctly the spike is the turbo killer (causes the overspin)?

[Sinbad]

Then you won't like boost levels on a remapped VNT1749Va or Vb for that matter Logged mine last week and she is at around 1.7 bar and mapped a certain someone's standard Ibiza Cupra TDi last night, and saw 1.5 bar...

Certain maps take the Cupras to 1.9bar

[BatteryWorldPtaEast]

Normal driving - between 1and 1.5 bar ,
crusing - between 0.5 and 1 bar ,
hard driving - between 1.5 and 2 bar ,
flat foot - over 2 bar .

That is on the gauge ,so i dont know how acurate.

[Sensorei]

Then you won't like boost levels on a remapped VNT1749Va or Vb for that matter Logged mine last week and she is at around 1.7 bar and mapped a certain someone's standard Ibiza Cupra TDi last night, and saw 1.5 bar...

VNT15s should not be boosting 1.6 bar. That is crazy VNT17b can do that with no risk so of course I'd love that! But R6500 for Revo at Ferroli and R7400 for Dimsport here in Cape Town almost made me vomit. The search for a tuner continues.

[Ramster]

Id say do
STO
my 14.7 1/4mile speaks for itself

running STO stage 2 for a year no problems so far

[Neuk]

Dazza's??? Trevor?

We sorting through the data and then he will reveal himself

Nic, your doing a constant 1.7 so your spike would be 2?
The spike is only in the 1st 2gears right? And if I understand correctly the spike is the turbo killer (causes the overspin)?

I'll have to check my logs again but I can't remember seeing over 1.7 bar...

[Neuk]

Then you won't like boost levels on a remapped VNT1749Va or Vb for that matter Logged mine last week and she is at around 1.7 bar and mapped a certain someone's standard Ibiza Cupra TDi last night, and saw 1.5 bar...

Certain maps take the Cupras to 1.9bar

I can believe that if they running 1.5 bar stock...