1300 citi -what mods?
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Hi Guyz, what kind of mods need to be done to a 1.3 Chico to make it go faster, i.e cams, carbs, etc.. and what kind of money needs to spent, as opposed to another engine?
All help appreciated
All help appreciated
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Thanx Rabbit, info actually for a buddy of mine
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i'll also say that a new motor will be the better option. also look for fuel injection, there's just so much more u can do to it! some nice 2l 16v motor will be absolutely beautiful, just leave the 1300 batch on! and enjoy all the puzzled faces when u fly past them!...
but, back to the subject: the usual mods done to N/A motor are the cams, gas-flow head, intake, branches, free-flow, for fuel injected cars - chip, more expensive, but sometimes very feasable option is to change the engine compression (piston, rods, rings and/or crank)... changing carb to a fuel injection is in the list of mods as well.
btw, turbo'ing a 1300 could be an interesting option thou, it depends on what the guy wants and how much he's prepared to spend.
anyway, hope this helps...
but, back to the subject: the usual mods done to N/A motor are the cams, gas-flow head, intake, branches, free-flow, for fuel injected cars - chip, more expensive, but sometimes very feasable option is to change the engine compression (piston, rods, rings and/or crank)... changing carb to a fuel injection is in the list of mods as well.
btw, turbo'ing a 1300 could be an interesting option thou, it depends on what the guy wants and how much he's prepared to spend.
anyway, hope this helps...
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Even with a turbo upgrade, you can't expect to do much more than double your power. An optimistic output for a supercharged 1100 would be what, 80kw on the flywheel? That's not going to set any records, and you basically end up with the same power as a std 1800...Brandon wrote:Many years ago , VW supercharged and 1100 MKI which averaged some ridiculous speeds around an oval track for 24 hrs . :O
So , yes it is possible , even from a little 1300 ...
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Mmm- it was a mk1 polo overseas - We never saw them here. Was a car you could buy stock from the floor. Called a G30 and was a G-lader 1300. Set a 230km/h speed record around a banked oval track over 24 hrs.
If you have to spend R20000 to turbo a 1300 then it's not worth it. if you can do it cheaply because you are good at diy and get the parts cheap then it's surely worthwhile. If it's going to cost you less than R8000 to turbo then it's worthwhile otherwise simply go for capacity N/A.
If you have to spend R20000 to turbo a 1300 then it's not worth it. if you can do it cheaply because you are good at diy and get the parts cheap then it's surely worthwhile. If it's going to cost you less than R8000 to turbo then it's worthwhile otherwise simply go for capacity N/A.
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So it was a 1300 , not an 1100 , dah , still impressive to me none-the-less . ???
Thing is , a 1300 was built for a purpose , if you want to alter that purpose in terms of performance gains , then yes , a bigger capacity engine with all it's bells and whistles , even in standard form , is an acceptable way to go .... :;):
Thing is , a 1300 was built for a purpose , if you want to alter that purpose in terms of performance gains , then yes , a bigger capacity engine with all it's bells and whistles , even in standard form , is an acceptable way to go .... :;):
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Thanx for all the info guyz. Seeing that its not worth it to hot up the 1.3 motor, what can be done now?
a) Rebore the 1.3 lump using bigger pistons and longer stroke crank
b) Source another engine
c) If (b), then which one will be a direct fit?
a) Rebore the 1.3 lump using bigger pistons and longer stroke crank
b) Source another engine
c) If (b), then which one will be a direct fit?
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Its a 1996 1.3 ChicoRabbit16v wrote:What year model is the car ?
He would like to get it injected, but 40's are also fine
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1996 Jetta VR6, burgundy - ex
1998 Polo Classic 1.6, indigo blue - ex
1990 Citi Sport 1800, red - ex
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2004 Golf GTI 132kw 6MT, Anthracit Blue - ex
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Thanx Rabbit
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the whole 'get another motor' thing isnt always an option. Firstly, lets say for example I ask how can I make my 1.3 faster, and your reply will be, "get a bigger motor" and "theres no replacement for displacement" etc.. BUT, I have a 1998 Vw 1.3 with 60 000km on the clock, now I must take out my perfectly good low mileage motor, and lob in a 1800 thats been rebored out to like 40 thou and has about 200 000+ km on it? Ever come to think what the cars value is going to be after that?
Secondly, when you guys have a VW vs Opel shootout, its all the classes that count, even the 1300s, so if you get wins in the 1300, 1400, 1600, 1800 etc.. classes, isnt that going to help more than people just entering and loosing?
A friend of mine just bought a 130is Corsa, and him and I are competitive and plan to compete in the next track day we have here. Now, if I ask for small tips on making my car just that little bit faster so that I can beat him, Im gonna get replys like 'change your motor' ?
every little bit counts, and a percentage of nothing is stil something.
So now does anyone have any 'real' suggestions?
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Secondly, when you guys have a VW vs Opel shootout, its all the classes that count, even the 1300s, so if you get wins in the 1300, 1400, 1600, 1800 etc.. classes, isnt that going to help more than people just entering and loosing?
A friend of mine just bought a 130is Corsa, and him and I are competitive and plan to compete in the next track day we have here. Now, if I ask for small tips on making my car just that little bit faster so that I can beat him, Im gonna get replys like 'change your motor' ?
every little bit counts, and a percentage of nothing is stil something.
So now does anyone have any 'real' suggestions?
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ok ok ok calm down now.a buddy of mine ran a 272{?} cam with a flowed head ,a nice weber+a brospeed branch & zorst.
with those mods he ran with my std 1800 8v GTi,so if you insist on the 1300 route look at those mods 1st.
also imho,the 15" rims on the 1300 robs you of some ponies,i run 16" on a healthy 1800 and feel the difference.
good luck! :;):
with those mods he ran with my std 1800 8v GTi,so if you insist on the 1300 route look at those mods 1st.
also imho,the 15" rims on the 1300 robs you of some ponies,i run 16" on a healthy 1800 and feel the difference.
good luck! :;):
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OK. I f it is down to keeping that then basically what you should do first is whip the head off and measure what the current compression ratio is. Most of the 1300 are quite low so you can push that up a bit to say 10.8 : 1 or so. Then flow the head - you can even make the valves a bit bigger. Put this back together and get a cam - something like 268 or 272 should be fine. See if you can get the manifold and carb off an old GTS - basically a version of a 2b2 carb. Slap this on and let somebody that know these tune it for you. The one thing about 1300's are that you can rev them like crazy so try to use that ability. You should also be able to stretch this boy to 1400 if that is the class you want to stay in but it sounds like you don't want to rebuild seeing that the motor is low km.
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So now does anyone have any 'real' suggestions?
i think the normal route of mod'ing a N/A motor will work fine on the 1300, thou u not gonna get as much from the mods as u would with a bigger capacity... anyway, cams, gas-flow, intake and exhaust are the first places to look at. fit high performance branches on (tnt or brospeed) with free-flow back piece. then have a look at the intake: performance flat panel air filter with some ducting (?, there were some lovely posts on the old BB on this subject, not sure if they went across to the new one - haven't checked...) or a cone filter with some heat shielding. next, u can port ur head and fit performance cams, here u will have to consider normal drivability of the car, if u go for some heavy stuff (288 or more) u have a good chance of having an uncomfortable drive at low revs... (there were some posts on this as well) then, consider (at this point more money and much more labour is involved), changing the carb to fuel injection. on a fuel injection, perhaps, bigger injectors with a higher throuput fuel pump could be worthwhile, thou it won't really add to the output of the car, but that'll give the so needed fuel on high revs.
now, enough with the engine, starting with the suspension: talking now from my personal experience, there's almost no use for the engine to perform miracles if u can't have all that power on the road. i've seen cars running circles around me on the tight bending streets, just because they had properly balanced performance suspension with almost half the power i was outputting.... with this in mind, consider dropping suspension, fitting progressive springs with adjustable shocks, wider tyres, thou on the 1300 i wouldn't consider really big mags (perhaps, nice 14" with 195, but fit some good rubber on).
anyway, hope this helps and does make sense....
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I cannot tell you how much to take off the head. You have to measure the head volume in CC's and you have to measure the piston volume at TDC and the gasket volume. From that you can work out the CR as it stands. You cannot rely on the factory spec as it differs often - you need to have it right for YOUR motor. Then armed with those volumes you can work out what the chamber volume should be to get you where you want it to be. So then you cut the head - measure - cut measure till you get the CC's in the chamber you want. If it sounds like a lot of trouble and work - yes it is but anything worth doing is worth doing well or rather leave it ???
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