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SHAUN wrote:So what i would then really like to get is 132kw G4 calipers and 312mm discs... :twisted:
R695 a disc for those cars. How many do you want? :twisted:
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SHAUN wrote:So what i would then really like to get is 132kw G4 calipers and 312mm discs... :twisted:
R695 a disc for those cars. How many do you want? :twisted:
Not bad, same price as the 288mm drilled and grooved from star brake.

Price on calipers? :wink:
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LittleG wrote:Could well be, thats why I asked MK1-fan to try confirm some sizes.

The way I understood it

Polo / MK3 (and MK2 2.0 16v) run the 256mm setup.
MK3 VR before 96 ran 280mm
96+ VR ran 288mm

1.8 20V A3/G4 ran 280mm
1.8T A3/G4 ran 288mm
132kw G4 and S3 IIRC ran the 312mm disks.
Correct

Thought so...

Any chance we can get prices on the 288 mm disks? (Both your inhouse brand and ATE's ?) And if it was possible some pics of the hats like the one below :oops: Might give me enough space for a spacer and still fit in my 15's :)

Just for reference here are a few pics of some really grubby disks so you can see what I was talking about :P

312 and 256mm

Side by Side

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256 ontop of the 312

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Side by side standing to see the shallow hat

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256mm has 2cm from the hat to disk. The 312 has around 1cm so it sits 1 cm closer to the rim.

The 312 also looks like its pretty thick (these are worn so not the best indicators) so not sure if they will fit with the Polo/MK3 calipers. If they do its just a matter of fabricating a spacer to move your calipers out that far :twisted:

Would look nice on the 17's though 8)
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LittleG wrote:256mm has 2cm from the hat to disk. The 312 has around 1cm so it sits 1 cm closer to the rim.

The 312 also looks like its pretty thick (these are worn so not the best indicators) so not sure if they will fit with the Polo/MK3 calipers. If they do its just a matter of fabricating a spacer to move your calipers out that far :twisted:

Would look nice on the 17's though 8)

The offset of the 312mm disc looks similar to that of a VR6 disc.

IIRC the 256mm disc 22mm thick and the 312mm disc is 25mm thick.

PS Why didn't you share these pics with me sooner you bastard guy. :P

PPS Let's covert the Slolo to 2.0 before you fit monster brakes. :P
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SHAUN wrote:
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SHAUN wrote:So what i would then really like to get is 132kw G4 calipers and 312mm discs... :twisted:
R695 a disc for those cars. How many do you want? :twisted:
Not bad, same price as the 288mm drilled and grooved from star brake.

Price on calipers? :wink:
Don't sell the calipers.
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STD Golf 1 has fixed caliper bracket. Got a little bit more work to do-cut and weld maybe???
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MacMan wrote:The offset of the 312mm disc looks similar to that of a VR6 disc.

IIRC the 256mm disc 22mm thick and the 312mm disc is 25mm thick.

PS Why didn't you share these pics with me sooner you bastard guy. :P

PPS Let's covert the Slolo to 2.0 before you fit monster brakes. :P
By VR disk I take you mean the 288? Might still work hey.

Hmmm I just took them just now, I told you I had the rust bucket disk though. Get yourself some 17's and we can do proper big brakes on your MK1 with big calipers... Plenty space for you :twisted:

Yeah 2.0 would be nice but money talks :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Hmmmm now the search starts for 132kw golf calipers...... :twisted:
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The sky's the limit!!! :idea: Just install 5 point harnessesand neck braces for all the negative g's
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Any chance we can get prices on the 288 mm disks? (Both your inhouse brand and ATE's ?)
R350 for the 288mm disc. It is ATE.
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Any chance we can get prices on the 288 mm disks? (Both your inhouse brand and ATE's ?)
R350 for the 288mm disc. It is ATE.
Thanks Nico.
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LittleG wrote:
MacMan wrote:The offset of the 312mm disc looks similar to that of a VR6 disc.

IIRC the 256mm disc 22mm thick and the 312mm disc is 25mm thick.

PS Why didn't you share these pics with me sooner you bastard guy. :P

PPS Let's covert the Slolo to 2.0 before you fit monster brakes. :P
By VR disk I take you mean the 288? Might still work hey.

Hmmm I just took them just now, I told you I had the rust bucket disk though. Get yourself some 17's and we can do proper big brakes on your MK1 with big calipers... Plenty space for you :twisted:

Yeah 2.0 would be nice but money talks :cry: :cry: :cry:
Never seen a 288mm disc in the flesh, it looks similar to the 280mm VR6 which is why the MK1 to VR6 disc conversion doesn't work with all mags.
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so just to clear up something,

is the G4 280mm = Vr6 280mm?

I was about to send my MK3 Gti carriers to norbrake for them to modify to fit the 280mm spitze disk.

These calipers have a gap of only 23mm so it would be physically impossible to fit anything larger than the 280mm.

Is the MK3 GTi caliper/hubs and carrier the same as the polos?

difference between spitze disks / VR6 disks/ G4 disks - dimesions, offset and performance?

perhaps the answers here can help quite a few people as I know when I was searching, there is a lot of uncertainty as to what fits what,

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Darryn u got email Let me mail the Vivid daigram of the set up i used
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darren wrote:so just to clear up something,

is the G4 280mm = Vr6 280mm?

I was about to send my MK3 Gti carriers to norbrake for them to modify to fit the 280mm spitze disk.

These calipers have a gap of only 23mm so it would be physically impossible to fit anything larger than the 280mm.

Is the MK3 GTi caliper/hubs and carrier the same as the polos?

difference between spitze disks / VR6 disks/ G4 disks - dimesions, offset and performance?

perhaps the answers here can help quite a few people as I know when I was searching, there is a lot of uncertainty as to what fits what,

thanks!
Yes AFAIK the Golf 4 280mm is the same as the VR6 280mm disk, and I would imagine the Golf 4 GTi 288mm disc is the same as the VR6 288mm disc.

Yes the MK3 GTi has the same caliper and carrier as the Polos with 256mm discs.

The Spitze disc has the same dimensions as the Golf 4 / VR6 280mm disc (280mm x 22mm) the only difference is the Spitze disc is 4 x 100PCD and it has a much deeper hat than the Golf 4 / VR6 disc, which means the disc sits further away from the inside face of the mag.
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darren wrote:is the G4 280mm = Vr6 280mm?
I would assume it true but have not done it my self so would not say YES...
darren wrote: These calipers have a gap of only 23mm so it would be physically impossible to fit anything larger than the 280mm.
Well using the bits we know of. Find another disk from another manufacturer that fits and its not impossible :wink:

darren wrote:Is the MK3 GTi caliper/hubs and carrier the same as the polos?
ALL the 256mm setups out the MK3 are the same as the 256mm Polo setup. There were a few that ran with 239mm setups in both the MK3's and the Polo's. The MK3 GTI has the same calipers and disks as the rest of the MK3's (256mm setup). Only the VR was different. So you don't need to find a GTI caliper as such.
darren wrote:difference between spitze disks / VR6 disks/ G4 disks - dimesions, offset and performance?
Sizes have been mentioned here. PCD is different with the Spitze. it has a 4X100 PCD where the VR/G4 is 5X100.

Offset and thickness is the variable here.
But looks like the 288 and up are 25mm thick
280 and 256 are 22mm thick.
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darren wrote:so just to clear up something,

is the G4 280mm = Vr6 280mm?

I was about to send my MK3 Gti carriers to norbrake for them to modify to fit the 280mm spitze disk.

These calipers have a gap of only 23mm so it would be physically impossible to fit anything larger than the 280mm.

Is the MK3 GTi caliper/hubs and carrier the same as the polos?

difference between spitze disks / VR6 disks/ G4 disks - dimesions, offset and performance?

perhaps the answers here can help quite a few people as I know when I was searching, there is a lot of uncertainty as to what fits what,

thanks!
Yes AFAIK the Golf 4 280mm is the same as the VR6 280mm disk, and I would imagine the Golf 4 GTi 288mm disc is the same as the VR6 288mm disc.

Yes the MK3 GTi has the same caliper and carrier as the Polos with 256mm discs.

The Spitze disc has the same dimensions as the Golf 4 / VR6 280mm disc (280mm x 22mm) the only difference is the Spitze disc is 4 x 100PCD and it has a much deeper hat than the Golf 4 / VR6 disc, which means the disc sits further away from the inside face of the mag.
I wasn't sure myself, so I measured these 2 discs, the VR6 280mm and GTi mk4 280mm.

The VR6 disc is slightly thinner than the GTi disc, about 2mm. The offset is also different. From the disc surface to where the wheel bolt on, the GTi disc has a bigger gap, again 1 or 2mm. We only list a 288mm VR6 disc, so I don't know if it is similiar to the 288mm GTi disc.

Hope this help.
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MacMan wrote:
darren wrote:so just to clear up something,

is the G4 280mm = Vr6 280mm?

I was about to send my MK3 Gti carriers to norbrake for them to modify to fit the 280mm spitze disk.

These calipers have a gap of only 23mm so it would be physically impossible to fit anything larger than the 280mm.

Is the MK3 GTi caliper/hubs and carrier the same as the polos?

difference between spitze disks / VR6 disks/ G4 disks - dimesions, offset and performance?

perhaps the answers here can help quite a few people as I know when I was searching, there is a lot of uncertainty as to what fits what,

thanks!
Yes AFAIK the Golf 4 280mm is the same as the VR6 280mm disk, and I would imagine the Golf 4 GTi 288mm disc is the same as the VR6 288mm disc.

Yes the MK3 GTi has the same caliper and carrier as the Polos with 256mm discs.

The Spitze disc has the same dimensions as the Golf 4 / VR6 280mm disc (280mm x 22mm) the only difference is the Spitze disc is 4 x 100PCD and it has a much deeper hat than the Golf 4 / VR6 disc, which means the disc sits further away from the inside face of the mag.
I wasn't sure myself, so I measured these 2 discs, the VR6 280mm and GTi mk4 280mm.

The VR6 disc is slightly thinner than the GTi disc, about 2mm. The offset is also different. From the disc surface to where the wheel bolt on, the GTi disc has a bigger gap, again 1 or 2mm. We only list a 288mm VR6 disc, so I don't know if it is similiar to the 288mm GTi disc.

Hope this help.
Damn, now that makes things even more confusing.

Any idea if the MK4 GTi with 280mm discs and the VR6 with 280mm discs have the same calipers and carriers?
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MacMan wrote:
darren wrote:so just to clear up something,

is the G4 280mm = Vr6 280mm?

I was about to send my MK3 Gti carriers to norbrake for them to modify to fit the 280mm spitze disk.

These calipers have a gap of only 23mm so it would be physically impossible to fit anything larger than the 280mm.

Is the MK3 GTi caliper/hubs and carrier the same as the polos?

difference between spitze disks / VR6 disks/ G4 disks - dimesions, offset and performance?

perhaps the answers here can help quite a few people as I know when I was searching, there is a lot of uncertainty as to what fits what,

thanks!
Yes AFAIK the Golf 4 280mm is the same as the VR6 280mm disk, and I would imagine the Golf 4 GTi 288mm disc is the same as the VR6 288mm disc.

Yes the MK3 GTi has the same caliper and carrier as the Polos with 256mm discs.

The Spitze disc has the same dimensions as the Golf 4 / VR6 280mm disc (280mm x 22mm) the only difference is the Spitze disc is 4 x 100PCD and it has a much deeper hat than the Golf 4 / VR6 disc, which means the disc sits further away from the inside face of the mag.
I wasn't sure myself, so I measured these 2 discs, the VR6 280mm and GTi mk4 280mm.

The VR6 disc is slightly thinner than the GTi disc, about 2mm. The offset is also different. From the disc surface to where the wheel bolt on, the GTi disc has a bigger gap, again 1 or 2mm. We only list a 288mm VR6 disc, so I don't know if it is similiar to the 288mm GTi disc.

Hope this help.
Damn, now that makes things even more confusing.

Any idea if the MK4 GTi with 280mm discs and the VR6 with 280mm discs have the same calipers and carriers?
No idea, but I'd guess a no, seeing as the pads are different as well.
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Front: Golf 4 GTI discs 280mm-redrill to suit 4 bolt pattern. The inner radius is identical so is the point for the locating screw. Audi A4 front calipers (vented). These bolt straight on (if you have the loose caliper bracket type hub. If not change).
Interesting, so we all know hard VR6 calipers and carriers are to get hold of, so maybe audi A4 calipers and carriers are easier to find and they bolt on giving you 280/288 - good find!
and it has a much deeper hat than the Golf 4 / VR6 disc
ok so when I send my hubs to norbrake, i just need to decide on VR6/G4 or spitze - once modified the offsets will be different.

In my case the PCDs are fine, I will drill them out to 5 anyway,

thanks guys, I think this will help many!
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the mk4 280's use a completely different caliper to the VR6 280 caliper, the VR6 caliper looks very similar to the 6N polo caliper - very different to the mk4's

the offset difference between the VR6 288 and the mk4 GTi 288 is quite substantial when fitted to a car, the mk4's offset makes it a lot easier in terms of clearance

we're running 6N polo 256mm calipers on golf4 GTi discs on 15 inch wheels on my brother's golf

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you can see clearance is minimal on a 15 inch with 288's, balancing weights have to be repositioned to clear, the VR6 wheels ran these weghts on the outside to clear the caliper

i'm running stock citi calipers on 2.0 golf4 280mm discs on my fox, the difference is day and night. will post proper pic's of both when daylight rears it's head

fyi, in terms of golf 3's, pre-facelift golf 3's (carb job's) all had 239mm discs, gti had 256mm, VR6 280mm, fuel injected they all went to 256mm, VR6 went to 288mm. 6N polo's were 256mm, except for 1.4's which were 239, and bloody expensive pads :!:

uprating the brakes is usually pretty easy: do a mock setup, CAD draw the adapter you want for any size disc and caliper combo, email the drawing to a laser steel cutting place, about R60-80 later you have a custom set of adapters :D
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As promised I have the pics. Just need some help getting them posted. I'm new to this. Anyone???
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polo'd wrote:As promised I have the pics. Just need some help getting them posted. I'm new to this. Anyone???
Mail them to me and ill post them

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