2017 Polo 6C GTI DSG Problems, Need Help

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There is a subtle difference between driving cars hard and enjoying their power and abusing it.
i drive mine hard - often. But i never abuse them. Allowing wheel spin and revving it into the limiter on a regular basis border on abuse. leave the TC on - it is there for a reason and protection. Wheel spin does not make for good traction or winning races. unless you are competing in a spinning contest - in which case you bought the wrong car anyway.
DSG are such good and intuative systems that I rarely find a need to actually go to full manual, just stick it in sport and let it do it's thing. maybe a manual would have suited you better...
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panic-mechanic wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:26 pm There is a subtle difference between driving cars hard and enjoying their power and abusing it.
i drive mine hard - often. But i never abuse them. Allowing wheel spin and revving it into the limiter on a regular basis border on abuse. leave the TC on - it is there for a reason and protection. Wheel spin does not make for good traction or winning races. unless you are competing in a spinning contest - in which case you bought the wrong car anyway.
DSG are such good and intuative systems that I rarely find a need to actually go to full manual, just stick it in sport and let it do it's thing. maybe a manual would have suited you better...
Yeah i fully understand, i guess i just have to get used to this car as it is my first dsg.....well auto for that matter. I mostly use manual when i want to get the DSG ' farts ' after ive done the muffler delete in which case i mostly just short shift. Yeah personally i found the car not to be faster off the line with TC off, tried it with TC off a couple of times as my buddies told me the car will be faster off the line which doesn't really make sense. Thanks for the feedback :hi:
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So just an update, i spoke to the workshop manager yesterday from N1 City Barons. He told me that he drove the car and experienced the gear grinding mostly in 3rd and 4th gear and more prominently on downshifts, they sent a video clip to VWSA to get feedback on what could've caused the issues, but they said they are not sure what caused this problem. He told me that they are ordering parts today as they need to replace the 3rd and 4th gear synchro's.
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- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
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'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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The DQ200 is really not a great GB for a performance car. I would push for the whole GB to be replaced if possible.
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THANAS wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:04 am The DQ200 really is really not a great GB for a performance car. I would push for the whole GB to be replaced if possible.
Agreed, well when i get the car back hopefully in the next 2 weeks and the issue is not fixed im going to push them to replace the whole gearbox. Hopefully this won't be a regular thing of me going back to VW for GB issues :bang:
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'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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Hopefully not. It's a case of letting them know that you aren't going to accept a patchwork solution. Make sure to test it thoroughly once the repair is complete before taking it back into your possession.
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THANAS wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:41 am Hopefully not. It's a case of letting them know that you aren't going to accept a patchwork solution. Make sure to test it thoroughly once the repair is complete before taking it back into your possession.
Yes, ill ask one of the mechanics to take a drive with me on the day the car is done.
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'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
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- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
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'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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So new update, got the car back yesterday evening, gearbox is working 100% with no grinding or clunking noises and with the updated dsg software the gear changes feel way smoother, the mechanic showed me pictures of my 3rd and 4th gear synchros and you could see how badly the teeth were grinded off :fear: . On the way out yesterday on the highway i felt that if i cruise at 120km/h in 7th gear in D and give a bit of gas the revs would climb but the car wont surge forward, realised the clutches were slipping in 3rd 5th and 7th gears, today the car started slipping in 3rd and in every other gear up to 7th :bang: :bang: . Took the car back and now they are going to replace the clutches under warranty as well, weirdly though when i took the car in for the gearbox repair there was never a sign of clutches slipping. Slowly starting to think buying this car was not the best idea, but guess it's just a stroke of bad luck :shock: .
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'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
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- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
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'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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neil_fladderak wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:21 pm
jaunrothner wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:19 pm I hope they will replace the box for you instead of repairing it seeing that your car is still in it's warranty period.
Me too! hopefully the parts they do find to be broken is enough for them to replace the whole gearbox so i can get the car back with a fresh new gearbox, but by the way the person spoke to me yesterday made it sound like they are just gonna replace the broken parts in the gearbox and not the whole gearbox so fingers crossed :crazy:
Lucky you... :cool:
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jaunrothner wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:48 pm Lucky you... :cool:
Apparently not :puke:, gearbox seems to be good now though except for the clutches :mad:
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'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
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- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
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'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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So found out today that they checked both my clutches and said they are still 100% and not worn or burnt at all, apparently the clutch shims had to be replaced now which caused the clutches to slip after the gearbox was put back on which makes sense i guess. Getting the car back on Friday after not having the car for a month and a half :driving: Hoping the car will not give any issues anymore :fear: .
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'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
- Stock ECU/TCU Software
- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
- Stealth Atom 2 CAI
Ex:
'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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Sounds like somebody is spinning you some BS and they have actually no idea whatbthe problem is.
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panic-mechanic wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:29 pm Sounds like somebody is spinning you some BS and they have actually no idea what the problem is.
Also starting to believe that they are just BSing me, the clutches were 100% before i took the car in for the gearbox repair and on the night i got the car back the clutches started slipping so clearly they f***** something up in the process.
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- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
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Ex:
'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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Which vehicles have the faulty DQ200 gearbox fitted?
Is there any way to know form your VIN?


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SkinnyD wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:31 am Which vehicles have the faulty DQ200 gearbox fitted?
Is there any way to know form your VIN?


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I know Polo 5 and
It is the only 7 speed DSG box with 250 N.m maximum torgue, so I guess every VW passenger vehicle rated at that maximum torgue is probably using DQ200.
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You mentioned in your first post "I don't want to sit with a car that has endless problems",

Can you not get rid of your car as it seems that you have never had the opportunity to actually enjoy your car?
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Jet Li wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:58 am
SkinnyD wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:31 am Which vehicles have the faulty DQ200 gearbox fitted?
Is there any way to know form your VIN?


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I know Polo 5 and
It is the only 7 speed DSG box with 250 N.m maximum torgue, so I guess every VW passenger vehicle rated at that maximum torgue is probably using DQ200.
To my understanding this is correct.
Current:
'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
- Stock ECU/TCU Software
- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
- Stealth Atom 2 CAI
Ex:
'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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jaunrothner wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:49 am You mentioned in your first post "I don't want to sit with a car that has endless problems",

Can you not get rid of your car as it seems that you have never had the opportunity to actually enjoy your car?
I financed the car, so if i had to get rid of it now ill lose a proper chunk of cash on the car, i might get the car back today as they are busy putting everything back together and servicing the car as it is due for its 2nd annual 30000km service.
Current:
'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
- Stock ECU/TCU Software
- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
- Stealth Atom 2 CAI
Ex:
'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
'06 Polo 1.6 Comfortline (Stock)
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SkinnyD wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:31 am Which vehicles have the faulty DQ200 gearbox fitted?
Is there any way to know form your VIN?


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So basically if your car has 250nm torque or less on it's spec sheet and it has a 7 speed DSG gearbox then it will be the DQ200 Dry Clutch variant as all the other 7 speeds are wet clutch.
Current:
'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
- Stock ECU/TCU Software
- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
- Stealth Atom 2 CAI
Ex:
'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
'06 Polo 1.6 Comfortline (Stock)
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There is a build tag on every car and itnis duplicated on the owners manual. The buld tag will show you which engine and gearbox and all the options installed on your car.
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neil_fladderak wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:12 am
jaunrothner wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:49 am You mentioned in your first post "I don't want to sit with a car that has endless problems",

Can you not get rid of your car as it seems that you have never had the opportunity to actually enjoy your car?
I financed the car, so if i had to get rid of it now ill lose a proper chunk of cash on the car, i might get the car back today as they are busy putting everything back together and servicing the car as it is due for its 2nd annual 30000km service.
Good luck - Things can only get better.
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For interest sake on this subject. Does replacing the control unit on this boxes help or its just a marketing strategy?

https://www.ecutesting.com/common-fault ... x-problem/
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neil_fladderak wrote:
SkinnyD wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:31 am Which vehicles have the faulty DQ200 gearbox fitted?
Is there any way to know form your VIN?


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So basically if your car has 250nm torque or less on it's spec sheet and it has a 7 speed DSG gearbox then it will be the DQ200 Dry Clutch variant as all the other 7 speeds are wet clutch.
Aha. Good news. Mine is a 6 speed


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My question now is, what could've caused my 3rd gear synchro ring and hub to have worn out so badly at 23k km? I can't seem to find any explanations online and i've searched countless DSG discussion forums :sad: .
Current:
'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
- Stock ECU/TCU Software
- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
- Stealth Atom 2 CAI
Ex:
'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
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So got my car back yesterday and what do you know the clutch slipped immediately once i gave the car some throttle in 3rd gear outside the VW dealer :bang: , went back and they begged me to drive the car for 1000km's to get the DSG box to adapt so i agreed. Got back home while driving fairly chilled in sport mode with constant 3rd/5th gear clutch slip and got a massive clutch smell coming from the bottom of the car. Decided to take a decent drive from Plattekloof side through Parklands all the way to Melkbos and back to the n7 on the way home and mid way through the trip after just keeping the car in drive mode the clutches weren't slipping anymore :driving: :crazy: . Put the the car in sport mode on a straight and gave it the beans in 3rd and damn the car started picking up like a rocket straight away without any sign of slippage. Now theres no more clutch slip and the new DSG software is making the car feel like a totally different car :hurray: . Saw the Job card and saw they only replaced the sweating clutch seals.
Current:
'17 Polo 6C GTI DSG
- Stock ECU/TCU Software
- 152kw 282nm on flywheel at Dynotech (runs were without below mention hardware)
- RoguePerformance 76mm Dp
- Stealth Atom 2 CAI
Ex:
'17 Polo 6C 1.2TSI Highline Manual WRC Inspired (Stage 1 Tuned, TWEEK CAI, Powerflow cat-back exhaust) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=212395&p=2569296#p2569296
'06 Polo 1.6 Comfortline (Stock)
'05 Corsa 1.6 Sport (Stock)
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