Inline6 vs V6
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Inline6 vs V6
Howsit guys! So as the title states, straight 6 vs V6..
What advantages and disadvantages are we looking at in comparison? I have always wondered which of the two is the better setup?
Any of the experienced guys willing to share their knowledge on this?
I say V6...
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What advantages and disadvantages are we looking at in comparison? I have always wondered which of the two is the better setup?
Any of the experienced guys willing to share their knowledge on this?
I say V6...
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
Why would you say V6?
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
Define "better".
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
Ya BRO, explain yourself. I choose straight 6 because of ease of boost
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
Well firstly it's not so huge.. It's a better setup for FWD cars.. Better performance gains etcNHB_R wrote:Why would you say V6?
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Do you understand the definition of "better"Jetta2 wrote:Define "better".
Does a v6 not ease good enough BRO?JonathanT4 wrote:Ya BRO, explain yourself. I choose straight 6 because of ease of boost
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I know the definition of "better"...
Better how exactly.?smitbrandon wrote:I have always wondered which of the two is the better setup?
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
V6
- short crank, less twist especially under Boost loads
- 2 heads, 4 cams, 2 headgaskets so more complex
- shorter than a straight 6 but wider
Straight 6
- longer crank means it’ll be heavier, also the longer block means it’s easier to twist and crack, seen this issue on RB motors, if they make the block stronger it’ll be heavier
- single head gasket etc
- longer than V6 but narrower
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- short crank, less twist especially under Boost loads
- 2 heads, 4 cams, 2 headgaskets so more complex
- shorter than a straight 6 but wider
Straight 6
- longer crank means it’ll be heavier, also the longer block means it’s easier to twist and crack, seen this issue on RB motors, if they make the block stronger it’ll be heavier
- single head gasket etc
- longer than V6 but narrower
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What setup would you prefer between the two? If one is to consider the setup for a drifting environment would a v6 be the better setup? Many BMW supporters have argued the fact that they would prefer a straight 6 for drifting I can't see it ideal unless your looking for the boat statusPoLonY wrote:V6
- short crank, less twist especially under Boost loads
- 2 heads, 4 cams, 2 headgaskets so more complex
- shorter than a straight 6 but wider
Straight 6
- longer crank means it’ll be heavier, also the longer block means it’s easier to twist and crack, seen this issue on RB motors, if they make the block stronger it’ll be heavier
- single head gasket etc
- longer than V6 but narrower
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
Go with what is tried and testednin drifting, inline sixes or ls swap. However depends again on the chassis you want to usesmitbrandon wrote:What setup would you prefer between the two? If one is to consider the setup for a drifting environment would a v6 be the better setup? Many BMW supporters have argued the fact that they would prefer a straight 6 for drifting I can't see it ideal unless your looking for the boat statusPoLonY wrote:V6
- short crank, less twist especially under Boost loads
- 2 heads, 4 cams, 2 headgaskets so more complex
- shorter than a straight 6 but wider
Straight 6
- longer crank means it’ll be heavier, also the longer block means it’s easier to twist and crack, seen this issue on RB motors, if they make the block stronger it’ll be heavier
- single head gasket etc
- longer than V6 but narrower
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
What chassis will you be using?smitbrandon wrote:What setup would you prefer between the two? If one is to consider the setup for a drifting environment would a v6 be the better setup? Many BMW supporters have argued the fact that they would prefer a straight 6 for drifting I can't see it ideal unless your looking for the boat statusPoLonY wrote:V6
- short crank, less twist especially under Boost loads
- 2 heads, 4 cams, 2 headgaskets so more complex
- shorter than a straight 6 but wider
Straight 6
- longer crank means it’ll be heavier, also the longer block means it’s easier to twist and crack, seen this issue on RB motors, if they make the block stronger it’ll be heavier
- single head gasket etc
- longer than V6 but narrower
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And what is boat status?
For drifting you have to look at spares availability etc as you'll break something at some point, the BMW inline 6 is plentiful and spares are easy to get. Also tried and tested for NA and boosted applications so the homework has been done.
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
Yes
What chassis you using ?
polony i do see you say the bmw inline 6 is tried and tested . and spares are readily available.I disagree they are scares to get hold of and they expensive maybe spares can still be got but at a price.
Well to be honest if some 1 has got the money why not try the v6 setup. They normally use vg30 in tow trucks bakkies and busses and that motor is strong and it pulls.
also the older ford V6 motors are strong too i just used to hear people complain they overheat but so does the bms i think its just people that dont maintain them well. And from what i have seen and what a mechy told me they are very cheap and very cheap to maintain i have seen a few v6 fords reconed (Only Block and Head assebly ) no auxiliry items go for about R4500.00. The mechy told me to redo the motor can cost as little as 1000 in spares (Rings bearings etc )not labour.im not sure u guys can variefy for me.
The Bmw is much more expensive when it comes to this and im just comparing e30m20 motors. the m20 head now alone for a good 1 is over 4500.00.
Yes for turbo the ford is a bit complicated especially the carb motors but there is a EFI motor and it has been turbo'd before but not as much here in SA.
People just love the E30s chasis and motors especially for spinning . but i do see more e30's than what there are old fords these days or did CPT buy them all up?
What will matter for the correct setup is a good gearbox with higher ratios and a good slip diff or lock diff with high ratios so that the ease of making the wheels spin is achieved. no use u have a strong motor but gear box and diff is for long distance ratios.
Just my 2c
What chassis you using ?
polony i do see you say the bmw inline 6 is tried and tested . and spares are readily available.I disagree they are scares to get hold of and they expensive maybe spares can still be got but at a price.
Well to be honest if some 1 has got the money why not try the v6 setup. They normally use vg30 in tow trucks bakkies and busses and that motor is strong and it pulls.
also the older ford V6 motors are strong too i just used to hear people complain they overheat but so does the bms i think its just people that dont maintain them well. And from what i have seen and what a mechy told me they are very cheap and very cheap to maintain i have seen a few v6 fords reconed (Only Block and Head assebly ) no auxiliry items go for about R4500.00. The mechy told me to redo the motor can cost as little as 1000 in spares (Rings bearings etc )not labour.im not sure u guys can variefy for me.
The Bmw is much more expensive when it comes to this and im just comparing e30m20 motors. the m20 head now alone for a good 1 is over 4500.00.
Yes for turbo the ford is a bit complicated especially the carb motors but there is a EFI motor and it has been turbo'd before but not as much here in SA.
People just love the E30s chasis and motors especially for spinning . but i do see more e30's than what there are old fords these days or did CPT buy them all up?
What will matter for the correct setup is a good gearbox with higher ratios and a good slip diff or lock diff with high ratios so that the ease of making the wheels spin is achieved. no use u have a strong motor but gear box and diff is for long distance ratios.
Just my 2c
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Boat status are those daring but few who get it right to drift with a massive body. I have seen a guy from kimberley who drift the hell out of a lank old 5series and he did it like it was going out of fashion. These guys at spinfests in my opinion just floor the car and lock the steering wheel one way, no talent or skill there. I can also do that, no brains needed.PoLonY wrote:What chassis will you be using?smitbrandon wrote:What setup would you prefer between the two? If one is to consider the setup for a drifting environment would a v6 be the better setup? Many BMW supporters have argued the fact that they would prefer a straight 6 for drifting I can't see it ideal unless your looking for the boat statusPoLonY wrote:V6
- short crank, less twist especially under Boost loads
- 2 heads, 4 cams, 2 headgaskets so more complex
- shorter than a straight 6 but wider
Straight 6
- longer crank means it’ll be heavier, also the longer block means it’s easier to twist and crack, seen this issue on RB motors, if they make the block stronger it’ll be heavier
- single head gasket etc
- longer than V6 but narrower
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And what is boat status?
For drifting you have to look at spares availability etc as you'll break something at some point, the BMW inline 6 is plentiful and spares are easy to get. Also tried and tested for NA and boosted applications so the homework has been done.
However, I haven't exactly chosen a certain chassis yet as I am in planning and research phase still before their money gets spent.
Reason for comparing the two 6banger setups is that I'm looking for a higher torque and reliability setup. It's obvious that things will eventually break but at least not every two runs something needs to be replaced.
I was able to find a left hand drive miata but the mk1 but no engine and gearbox. Perfect for starting my own build.
It's engine bay can hold either setups, it's just about which one to go with.
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
MX5 engine bay is rather small, so a v6 should be easier to fit than the straight 6. However I would try fit a 1JZ or 2 Jz. Keep it Jap.
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
I have read up about ford's v6 engines and I found a lot of concern regarding the over heating too. Very heavy engine block which is fine for hand brake cornering. So weight is not a issue here.Rourke wrote:Yes
What chassis you using ?
polony i do see you say the bmw inline 6 is tried and tested . and spares are readily available.I disagree they are scares to get hold of and they expensive maybe spares can still be got but at a price.
Well to be honest if some 1 has got the money why not try the v6 setup. They normally use vg30 in tow trucks bakkies and busses and that motor is strong and it pulls.
also the older ford V6 motors are strong too i just used to hear people complain they overheat but so does the bms i think its just people that dont maintain them well. And from what i have seen and what a mechy told me they are very cheap and very cheap to maintain i have seen a few v6 fords reconed (Only Block and Head assebly ) no auxiliry items go for about R4500.00. The mechy told me to redo the motor can cost as little as 1000 in spares (Rings bearings etc )not labour.im not sure u guys can variefy for me.
The Bmw is much more expensive when it comes to this and im just comparing e30m20 motors. the m20 head now alone for a good 1 is over 4500.00.
Yes for turbo the ford is a bit complicated especially the carb motors but there is a EFI motor and it has been turbo'd before but not as much here in SA.
People just love the E30s chasis and motors especially for spinning . but i do see more e30's than what there are old fords these days or did CPT buy them all up?
What will matter for the correct setup is a good gearbox with higher ratios and a good slip diff or lock diff with high ratios so that the ease of making the wheels spin is achieved. no use u have a strong motor but gear box and diff is for long distance ratios.
Just my 2c
My biggest concern is having a straight six is fitting the thing in the engine bay, but this ultimately depends on the car I will be going with.
If converting a fwd to rwd wasn't such a headache I would've gone with a polo classic body with a wider offset and altered camber for the front. But that would be in a perfect world. This would've been ideal with v6 setup, however it would have been a tight fit but still do-able.
Unfortunately our range in rwd cars for the rsa market isn't as vast as the USA markets.
So my assumption is mostlikely a BMW but I'm looking to go different.
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I was looking with going with a Toyota 20v rsi I think it's called the black top? But with a little research I have realised these buggers LOVE burning their valves. That's something I'm not keen on sitting with. To go boosted is awesome as I now know how great it is with my A3 but for a drifting setup I'm looking for raw n/a powersmitbrandon wrote:Boat status are those daring but few who get it right to drift with a massive body. I have seen a guy from kimberley who drift the hell out of a lank old 5series and he did it like it was going out of fashion. These guys at spinfests in my opinion just floor the car and lock the steering wheel one way, no talent or skill there. I can also do that, no brains needed.PoLonY wrote:What chassis will you be using?smitbrandon wrote:What setup would you prefer between the two? If one is to consider the setup for a drifting environment would a v6 be the better setup? Many BMW supporters have argued the fact that they would prefer a straight 6 for drifting I can't see it ideal unless your looking for the boat statusPoLonY wrote:V6
- short crank, less twist especially under Boost loads
- 2 heads, 4 cams, 2 headgaskets so more complex
- shorter than a straight 6 but wider
Straight 6
- longer crank means it’ll be heavier, also the longer block means it’s easier to twist and crack, seen this issue on RB motors, if they make the block stronger it’ll be heavier
- single head gasket etc
- longer than V6 but narrower
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And what is boat status?
For drifting you have to look at spares availability etc as you'll break something at some point, the BMW inline 6 is plentiful and spares are easy to get. Also tried and tested for NA and boosted applications so the homework has been done.
However, I haven't exactly chosen a certain chassis yet as I am in planning and research phase still before their money gets spent.
Reason for comparing the two 6banger setups is that I'm looking for a higher torque and reliability setup. It's obvious that things will eventually break but at least not every two runs something needs to be replaced.
I was able to find a left hand drive miata but the mk1 but no engine and gearbox. Perfect for starting my own build.
It's engine bay can hold either setups, it's just about which one to go with.
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
The biggest problem with the Ford Essex V6 is burning valves, specially the locally developed 3.4.
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Getting some lines blurred here, Below is a picture of drift car. This is an amazing sport with attention to detail and the car setups are on point. Here you are more likely to go with your stuff from Japan. They are tried and tested and these JDMs work and there are tonnes of options and tuning etc available for these cars and they will work
This on the other hand is spinning, you just get a car stick it in first gear and get some people to dance around you while you basically do burn outs and move a bit then do another burn out. BMWs are dominent here and they will work as well without any faults.
So I think the purpose of the vehicle must be mentioned and then answers for V6 or Inline 6 will be easier to get
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This on the other hand is spinning, you just get a car stick it in first gear and get some people to dance around you while you basically do burn outs and move a bit then do another burn out. BMWs are dominent here and they will work as well without any faults.
So I think the purpose of the vehicle must be mentioned and then answers for V6 or Inline 6 will be easier to get
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
I actually dont stay far from the guy spinning the green bm . Hamoo.
I know him personally
Sorry but its of topic.
Lets hear other comments .
On the body a BM Body would be easiest u also can go ford saphire or crsida body, but toyotas are few and pricey at the moment as they popular.
if its RAW NA power you want then a V8 setup will obviously be the best here ? Lexus ?
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I know him personally
Sorry but its of topic.
Lets hear other comments .
On the body a BM Body would be easiest u also can go ford saphire or crsida body, but toyotas are few and pricey at the moment as they popular.
if its RAW NA power you want then a V8 setup will obviously be the best here ? Lexus ?
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Still don't know the point the OP was trying to get at? Is it a drift car? Track Car? Rondfokkar?
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If i had to choose between an I6 or a V6, I would take the F6 for my Porsche, everytime.
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So gents to add my two cents the inline 6 is the better engine look at the firing order of both V6 and inline 6 and you would see why it is the better of the two (153624)
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I'm talking about actually drifting and not spinning.The Shaikh wrote:Getting some lines blurred here, Below is a picture of drift car. This is an amazing sport with attention to detail and the car setups are on point. Here you are more likely to go with your stuff from Japan. They are tried and tested and these JDMs work and there are tonnes of options and tuning etc available for these cars and they will work
This on the other hand is spinning, you just get a car stick it in first gear and get some people to dance around you while you basically do burn outs and move a bit then do another burn out. BMWs are dominent here and they will work as well without any faults.
So I think the purpose of the vehicle must be mentioned and then answers for V6 or Inline 6 will be easier to get
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IMO spinning is a brain dead hobby that takes no skill to do. I see no actual skills shown in a spin fest.
I mean did you even see the gymkhana vids, now that's inspiration for actual drifters.
It just irritates me how limited our rsa market is on rwd cars.
JDM route would be awesome but part availability on cars like the sr20 for example are few and in between whereas in America if you trip and fall you will most likely find a exhaust manifold just chilling on the ground like a pakkie of empty simba chips... If you know what I am getting at.
Trust me, I have considered a lexus multiple times but those things are BOATS wayyy to big for me and my current experience.
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Do you have any friends from Swaziland, Lesotho, Botswana or Zimbabwe? you can buy the Japanese imports for dog cheap and just have it registered in one of the countries since SA doesn't allow them to be registered here. Then you pay a TIP once every 6 months at SARS for about R350. Loly Jackson did it with most of his cars they were registered in Swaziland .
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Re: Inline6 vs V6
If you are interested in something, No matter what it is
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Hug it
Love it
Above all become passionate about it
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