Replacement battery. Mk6 GTI

[Howie-WP]

Thanks for the information, I think this probably answers what I asked @B_rad earlier.

The stop start is a fake cost saving process (less fuel) as your extra costs with regard battery and other bits end up more expensive. Some cars even have 2 bats (one used by stop start, other normal) Makes sense that it needs a more expensive battery....

[Neuk]

Thanks for the information, I think this probably answers what I asked @B_rad earlier.

The stop start is a fake cost saving process (less fuel) as your extra costs with regard battery and other bits end up more expensive. Some cars even have 2 bats (one used by stop start, other normal) Makes sense that it needs a more expensive battery....

@senna has permanently deactivated the annoying stop/start function on my car. Good riddance...

[Howie-WP]

@senna has permanently deactivated the annoying stop/start function on my car. Good riddance...

I really think that there seems to be a increase in "new" tech that is a case of engineering for the sake of engineering. Stop Start, the stupid regen charging in some cars using braking to charge instead of alternator, keyless entry and so on. Creates more system complications that what the process is worth. Also makes owning a car out of warranty more of a lottery wrt maintenance costs.

[Le Clue]

Thanks for the information, I think this probably answers what I asked @B_rad earlier.

The stop start is a fake cost saving process (less fuel) as your extra costs with regard battery and other bits end up more expensive. Some cars even have 2 bats (one used by stop start, other normal) Makes sense that it needs a more expensive battery....

@senna has permanently deactivated the annoying stop/start function on my car. Good riddance...

It's a massive irritation for me too, 1st thing I switch off when driving a more modern car.


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[Neuk]

@senna has permanently deactivated the annoying stop/start function on my car. Good riddance...

I really think that there seems to be a increase in "new" tech that is a case of engineering for the sake of engineering. Stop Start, the stupid regen charging in some cars using braking to charge instead of alternator, keyless entry and so on. Creates more system complications that what the process is worth. Also makes owning a car out of warranty more of a lottery wrt maintenance costs.

Don't forget sales as well, more techy **** means more average buyers going googly eyed at crap and more cars are sold

[Neuk]

Thanks for the information, I think this probably answers what I asked @B_rad earlier.

The stop start is a fake cost saving process (less fuel) as your extra costs with regard battery and other bits end up more expensive. Some cars even have 2 bats (one used by stop start, other normal) Makes sense that it needs a more expensive battery....

@senna has permanently deactivated the annoying stop/start function on my car. Good riddance...

It's a massive irritation for me too, 1st thing I switch off when driving a more modern car.

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And Hill Hold, another annoying feature I never use

[s3 freak]

I used 'code' in inverted commas.

When you get a new battery you use VCDS to input the serial number into adaption. This allows the car to optimize the charge on the battery, which you can understand will differ for an old battery to a new one.
By inputting the serial number into adaption on vcds, the management system recognizes that there is a brand new battery and adapts the charge accordingly.
If you fit a battery not spec'd by VW/Audi ('non-oem' for lack of a better phrase), adaption might not recognise the code and therefore not alter the charge accordingly, resulting in your battery going flat/not lasting long enough.

Just my 2c from my experience. I'd rather shell out a few hundred rand more for something that was designed to work for my car than nickle and dime on a replacement battery.

In addition, when i sent Deltec and another Varta distributor a picture of my battery, they couldn't find an exact match on their system. They had one 'nearest to' for R300 cheaper. So I rather paid full price and bought the proper thing.

Use it, don't use it.

Can you forward me the link for this? As I would like to read up on this... My Google searches cannot find it

[B_rad]

I used 'code' in inverted commas.

When you get a new battery you use VCDS to input the serial number into adaption. This allows the car to optimize the charge on the battery, which you can understand will differ for an old battery to a new one.
By inputting the serial number into adaption on vcds, the management system recognizes that there is a brand new battery and adapts the charge accordingly.
If you fit a battery not spec'd by VW/Audi ('non-oem' for lack of a better phrase), adaption might not recognise the code and therefore not alter the charge accordingly, resulting in your battery going flat/not lasting long enough.

Just my 2c from my experience. I'd rather shell out a few hundred rand more for something that was designed to work for my car than nickle and dime on a replacement battery.

In addition, when i sent Deltec and another Varta distributor a picture of my battery, they couldn't find an exact match on their system. They had one 'nearest to' for R300 cheaper. So I rather paid full price and bought the proper thing.

Use it, don't use it.

Can you forward me the link for this? As I would like to read up on this... My Google searches cannot find it

Sure, no problem bud.
I used a combination of videos and forums to find my way around the adaption.

Some links for further reading:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/ne ... ed.203475/

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.ph ... eplacement
Works pretty much as described in both threads.

Go to the battery regulation module, input the serial number and bobs your uncle. If it doesn't have the right serial number it eill continually think the battery is flat

[Beeno]

Would any of these be suitable?

https://www.varta-automotive.com/en-be/ ... 80-901-080

https://www.varta-automotive.com/en-gb/ ... 70-901-076

the Silver Dynamic AGM 570 901 076 is a closer match to OE battery for MK7, that was what I mentioned in my post which costs ~R3,5k. I'm not sure what the specs are for MK6

[Beeno]

I used 'code' in inverted commas.

When you get a new battery you use VCDS to input the serial number into adaption. This allows the car to optimize the charge on the battery, which you can understand will differ for an old battery to a new one.
By inputting the serial number into adaption on vcds, the management system recognizes that there is a brand new battery and adapts the charge accordingly.
If you fit a battery not spec'd by VW/Audi ('non-oem' for lack of a better phrase), adaption might not recognise the code and therefore not alter the charge accordingly, resulting in your battery going flat/not lasting long enough.

Just my 2c from my experience. I'd rather shell out a few hundred rand more for something that was designed to work for my car than nickle and dime on a replacement battery.

In addition, when i sent Deltec and another Varta distributor a picture of my battery, they couldn't find an exact match on their system. They had one 'nearest to' for R300 cheaper. So I rather paid full price and bought the proper thing.

Use it, don't use it.

Can you forward me the link for this? As I would like to read up on this... My Google searches cannot find it

Sure, no problem bud.
I used a combination of videos and forums to find my way around the adaption.

Some links for further reading:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/ne ... ed.203475/

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.ph ... eplacement
Works pretty much as described in both threads.

Go to the battery regulation module, input the serial number and bobs your uncle. If it doesn't have the right serial number it eill continually think the battery is flat

Apparently it's not just the serial number you need to increment source: http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7926 ):
VCDS coding required:-
From the Main screen:-
Select Control Module [Select]
[19-CAN Gateway]
Advanced Functions screen:-
[Adaptions-10]
New value choice screen:-
Change the following four channels, inputting the relevant data about the new battery.
IDE03256-MAS06105-Battery adaptation-Rated battery capacity,
IDE03256-MAS06106-Battery adaptation-Battery technology,
IDE03256-MAS06107-Battery adaptation-Battery manufacturer,
IDE03256-MAS06108-Battery adaptation-Battery Serial Number,

Battery BEM codes are now redundant with the above separate channels. The most important channels are, Rated battery capacity, Battery technology, & Battery Serial Number. For the Battery Serial Number, just change one digit of the old one. This channel tells the BCM that a new battery has been installed & to relearn the new battery & forget any “learnt values” for the old battery!

[B_rad]

Afaik with my older A3 that was necessary but I should maybe have checked that out. I just did what the videos showed.
I should add that an Audi tech brought this info to light and told me what they do when (but not how they do it) my battery died at Audi and they had to help me start. If he hadn't told me about it I would probably never have known

[Senna]

Id say get a Bosch Battery ive had one in my 325IS since 2009 and it hasnt given up the ghost yet.Its been "abused" by going flat(the car doing 1000kms a year) being over charged for days on end with my old trickle charger and its still 100%.

[Unobeat]

@senna has permanently deactivated the annoying stop/start function on my car. Good riddance...

I really think that there seems to be a increase in "new" tech that is a case of engineering for the sake of engineering. Stop Start, the stupid regen charging in some cars using braking to charge instead of alternator, keyless entry and so on. Creates more system complications that what the process is worth. Also makes owning a car out of warranty more of a lottery wrt maintenance costs.

Totally agree

I was actually thinking about this the other day, that what kind of bank balance will one have to have to afford these cars out of warranty with over 150 000km on the clock cause they are so computer controlled.

For example Golf 5 gti have proven to be very reliable as Camo's one is on 270 000km with no many issues just normal services.

@Neuk- I thought the hill hold (assist) thing works work for one not to loose their grip on a hill before pulling away.

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[Reegz]

On the subject of batteries. Is it considered fair service life if the battery on our 2012 Jetta is dead?

[Neuk]

@Neuk- I thought the hill hold (assist) thing works work for one not to loose their grip on a hill before pulling away.

Nope, it is nothing more than the car activating the electronic hand brake when you come to a complete stop, whether it is uphill, downhill or on a flat surface.

[Neuk]

On the subject of batteries. Is it considered fair service life if the battery on our 2012 Jetta is dead?

These days with all a cars electronics that is pretty fair.

[Reegz]

On the subject of batteries. Is it considered fair service life if the battery on our 2012 Jetta is dead?

These days with all a cars electronics that is pretty fair.

Cool beans. Thanks.

In terms of price, R3500? Am I being bent over?

[Neuk]

On the subject of batteries. Is it considered fair service life if the battery on our 2012 Jetta is dead?

These days with all a cars electronics that is pretty fair.

Cool beans. Thanks.

In terms of price, R3500? Am I being bent over?

What battery and who is quoting that? It sounds par for the course for a dealership and should include coding if your car needs it. Where is @B-rad?

[Reegz]

On the subject of batteries. Is it considered fair service life if the battery on our 2012 Jetta is dead?

These days with all a cars electronics that is pretty fair.

Cool beans. Thanks.

In terms of price, R3500? Am I being bent over?

What battery and who is quoting that? It sounds par for the course for a dealership and should include coding if your car needs it. Where is @B-rad?

OEM I guess. I just cold-called a dealership and asked for a price. Gave model and year number.

[Neuk]

These days with all a cars electronics that is pretty fair.

Cool beans. Thanks.

In terms of price, R3500? Am I being bent over?

What battery and who is quoting that? It sounds par for the course for a dealership and should include coding if your car needs it. Where is @B-rad?

OEM I guess. I just cold-called a dealership and asked for a price. Gave model and year number.

Standard pricing then.

[Reegz]

Roger. Will phone around though to get an idea.

Btw, what coding is required?

[Belix]

Read above...

[Reegz]

Read above...

Tee hee.

Sorry folks. Was being lazy. Got it now.

[Reegz]

So the battery on the Jetta needed to be replaced this week. Fully covered by the plan. All in the job cost R3700.

[Belix]

Another OEM battery has died on me. Really not impressed with them, especially at R3700 odd. Perhaps they have all been Oxide, not VARTA, will have a good look and see what the current one is. Just over 2 years an OEM battery. So now to decide on whether to get economy replacement from VW or something else...