Why some people should stick to carburettors.
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Why some people should stick to carburettors.
So had a car by me the last few weeks. First came with run bearings. Rebuilt the bottom end.
It has dictator on, on basically a K-jetronic setup.
Anyway tuning was really bad so stuck it on the dyno, ran through the map and gave it back to the owner , which calls me 20 minutes later, it died on the highway and he is getting it towed home.
I am baffled.
Anyway go fetch it a few days later, gets there - it starts just fine, i stick it on a trailer and take it home.
Drive it for 16 km and it dies on me. Wife fetches and it is basically flooded. I look at the dictator and it appears as if the thing thinks it is at full throttle ie. it is reading no vacuum.
I check all the hoses. find nothing funny, Check fuel pressure, set a few things on the management and suddenly it starts and runs and all is well.
I drive it for 50 km and declare everything A OK as there appears to be no issue.
Drive it to the customer which is about 55 km form me and 2 km short of his house it dies again. Same symptoms - floods the motor, when you undo two injectors it runs. add a third it runs, touch the plug to the 4th one and the motor dies, flooded.
I decide it must be the dicktator box. pull it out, drop it at the very unfriendly , don't park in the driveways, no, don't use that door people of dicktator with instructions that the stupid thing is broken and they must test it for a couple of hours. Don't hear a thing for a week and then when i phone them they declare the box to be fine. I am annoyed because cleary it ain't.
Anyway , stick it back in the car, load the tuned map back and it starts right up, runs for two minutes and dies, flooded. So by now I want to kill or burn something.
Look at the box and again it appears as if the manifold vaccuum disappears. I decide to fit tps and tune on that.
but the TPS Tb i get does not fit so I decide no there has to be some other issue. relook all the vaccum pipes. find a small broken piece on the vacuum one way valve, fix that. all seems ok, reverse it to the dyno and it dies again. Flooded. So I let out a string of swearing that has the wife, cats, dogs and neighbours fleeing for the mountians.
At this stage I fiddle the wiring and the injectors starts clicking. mmmmmmm.
so I open the wiring loom.
a) there are some exposed wires that seems to be rubbing.
B) the genius that installed the box thought hey - why do they give two wires for injectors when there are four injectors. Oh heck never mind let's just connect the whole lot together.
so now when the driver fires it has the full load of 4 injectors plus it is firing back into the other driver. This seems to make the whole box fall over.
So I changed the wiring to the right scheme, fixed the exposed ones and retuned the whole thing again as it now actually works like it should.
Took it for a 80 km drive last night and all was well. Came to work with it and will drop this afternoon.
So anyway - if you decide to install a management system - please read and understand the wiring diagrams and follow the instructions as the people that build it actually have a clue of how they should work, not how you think is OK as that might save other people a whole lot of hassle.
check out this beautifull wiring. The cause of HUGE frustration......I suppose I must go appologise to the very friendly lot at dicktator........
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It has dictator on, on basically a K-jetronic setup.
Anyway tuning was really bad so stuck it on the dyno, ran through the map and gave it back to the owner , which calls me 20 minutes later, it died on the highway and he is getting it towed home.
I am baffled.
Anyway go fetch it a few days later, gets there - it starts just fine, i stick it on a trailer and take it home.
Drive it for 16 km and it dies on me. Wife fetches and it is basically flooded. I look at the dictator and it appears as if the thing thinks it is at full throttle ie. it is reading no vacuum.
I check all the hoses. find nothing funny, Check fuel pressure, set a few things on the management and suddenly it starts and runs and all is well.
I drive it for 50 km and declare everything A OK as there appears to be no issue.
Drive it to the customer which is about 55 km form me and 2 km short of his house it dies again. Same symptoms - floods the motor, when you undo two injectors it runs. add a third it runs, touch the plug to the 4th one and the motor dies, flooded.
I decide it must be the dicktator box. pull it out, drop it at the very unfriendly , don't park in the driveways, no, don't use that door people of dicktator with instructions that the stupid thing is broken and they must test it for a couple of hours. Don't hear a thing for a week and then when i phone them they declare the box to be fine. I am annoyed because cleary it ain't.
Anyway , stick it back in the car, load the tuned map back and it starts right up, runs for two minutes and dies, flooded. So by now I want to kill or burn something.
Look at the box and again it appears as if the manifold vaccuum disappears. I decide to fit tps and tune on that.
but the TPS Tb i get does not fit so I decide no there has to be some other issue. relook all the vaccum pipes. find a small broken piece on the vacuum one way valve, fix that. all seems ok, reverse it to the dyno and it dies again. Flooded. So I let out a string of swearing that has the wife, cats, dogs and neighbours fleeing for the mountians.
At this stage I fiddle the wiring and the injectors starts clicking. mmmmmmm.
so I open the wiring loom.
a) there are some exposed wires that seems to be rubbing.
B) the genius that installed the box thought hey - why do they give two wires for injectors when there are four injectors. Oh heck never mind let's just connect the whole lot together.
so now when the driver fires it has the full load of 4 injectors plus it is firing back into the other driver. This seems to make the whole box fall over.
So I changed the wiring to the right scheme, fixed the exposed ones and retuned the whole thing again as it now actually works like it should.
Took it for a 80 km drive last night and all was well. Came to work with it and will drop this afternoon.
So anyway - if you decide to install a management system - please read and understand the wiring diagrams and follow the instructions as the people that build it actually have a clue of how they should work, not how you think is OK as that might save other people a whole lot of hassle.
check out this beautifull wiring. The cause of HUGE frustration......I suppose I must go appologise to the very friendly lot at dicktator........
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Re: Why some people should stick to carburettors.
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Re: Why some people should stick to carburettors.
That's actually why some people should stay away from cars all together.
The amount of crap you can find from checking other peoples installs can be mind blowing.
The amount of crap you can find from checking other peoples installs can be mind blowing.
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Re: Why some people should stick to carburettors.
Even I got frustrated just reading all of that.
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This.......Killerwatt wrote:That's actually why some people should stay away from cars all together.
The amount of crap you can find from checking other peoples installs can be mind blowing.
and at that mess
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Re: Why some people should stick to carburettors.
Yeah no sheet. You don't even want to know why it ran bearings in the first place.Killerwatt wrote:That's actually why some people should stay away from cars all together.
The amount of crap you can find from checking other peoples installs can be mind blowing.
Let's just say some people should not even change a tappet cover gasket.
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Plus this flooding issue must have thinned the oil with fuel too. I know I had to drain it after the few times I came across it to avoid the same happening.
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Re: Why some people should stick to carburettors.
As i was reading this, i kept on thinking what the hell is going on here and then as you mentioned that you thought hey, let me check the wiring and my thoughts were confirmed that the wiring might have been a shocker.
This is shocking.
I wonder what will the owner think now after you tell him what caused the car to flood and die.
This is shocking.
I wonder what will the owner think now after you tell him what caused the car to flood and die.
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Re: Why some people should stick to carburettors.
All that effort and frustration because of some idiots "work". Person should be shot.
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Wow amazing that the thing ran at all!
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Good Lord that's scary.
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Cutting corners.
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Nice work on saving this, for us noobs... how were the wires supposed to be connected to the injectors?
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Brown wire 1 to injector 1 and 4 and Brown wire 2 to injector 2 and 3
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Thank you sirPynoxim wrote:Brown wire 1 to injector 1 and 4 and Brown wire 2 to injector 2 and 3
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Re: Why some people should stick to carburettors.
They shouldn't even be sticking to carbs. They should stick to bicycles.
But thats what happens when every 2nd guy is a mechanic. Like people that uses the following terms,
Banana Branches
Carp = Carb
Engine Mountains
These type of thing, if you dont know what you doing, leave it, or start with extensive research before fiddling with something.
But thats what happens when every 2nd guy is a mechanic. Like people that uses the following terms,
Banana Branches
Carp = Carb
Engine Mountains
These type of thing, if you dont know what you doing, leave it, or start with extensive research before fiddling with something.
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Wait... I thought fuel injection systems were for people who were to dumb to tune carburators... Now I see this!
This is actually a Ford thing.... you wouldn't understandPieta wrote:Banana Branches
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Correct terminology is "Performance Exhaust Manifold" or just "Branch", I will lose it if someone refers to "Banana" branches. Really?V6 Capri wrote:Wait... I thought fuel injection systems were for people who were to dumb to tune carburators... Now I see this!
This is actually a Ford thing.... you wouldn't understandPieta wrote:Banana Branches
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Even the E30 guysV6 Capri wrote:Wait... I thought fuel injection systems were for people who were to dumb to tune carburators... Now I see this!
This is actually a Ford thing.... you wouldn't understandPieta wrote:Banana Branches
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FI is easy, carburettors have way too many fiddly pieces and it seems to be more of a mystic art to get them jetted and set correctly.
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I need to put Banana branches on my car and i think my front engine mountain needs to be replaced as well.
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fokof...175SBU wrote:I need to put Banana branches on my car and i think my front engine mountain needs to be replaced as well.
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Check the tire threat/thread, should have at least 80 percent threat/thread. Also make sure to sink the trottles so that it can be light on feul.175SBU wrote:I need to put Banana branches on my car and i think my front engine mountain needs to be replaced as well.
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Hey guys,
I'm the owner of this car and holy cr@p I was surprised at some of the things that Panic showed me.
Just wanna say a big thank you to Panic for all your help and Patience in getting this car running.
I greatly appreciate your professionalism, assistance and understanding.
You truly are a knowledgeable guy and you contribute tremendously to this forum and the number of other forums that you are a part of.
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I'm the owner of this car and holy cr@p I was surprised at some of the things that Panic showed me.
Just wanna say a big thank you to Panic for all your help and Patience in getting this car running.
I greatly appreciate your professionalism, assistance and understanding.
You truly are a knowledgeable guy and you contribute tremendously to this forum and the number of other forums that you are a part of.
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Re: Why some people should stick to carburettors.
You were in the right hands, is it by any chance a Red Golf Mk2?Schpleegz wrote:Hey guys,
I'm the owner of this car and holy cr@p I was surprised at some of the things that Panic showed me.
Just wanna say a big thank you to Panic for all your help and Patience in getting this car running.
I greatly appreciate your professionalism, assistance and understanding.
You truly are a knowledgeable guy and you contribute tremendously to this forum and the number of other forums that you are a part of.
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