Hazard - bordnetz
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Hazard - bordnetz
Hi All,
I have the problem on a 2008 Citi 1.4i where Hazards seem to go on randomly. I even disconnected the Hazard switch for a week and still went on randomly.
I also changed the Hazard switch.. But Hazards still go on randomly.
Been told it could be the bordnetz...
I cannot find a 2nd hand one with my part number.
Any other Ideas or options before I get new one..
Weird thing is that VCDS does not pick up any faults with the bordnetz..
Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: None
Part No: 17S 937 049 E
Component: BORDNETZ-SG. V2.03
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 408B44336A13
No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error occurred
I have the problem on a 2008 Citi 1.4i where Hazards seem to go on randomly. I even disconnected the Hazard switch for a week and still went on randomly.
I also changed the Hazard switch.. But Hazards still go on randomly.
Been told it could be the bordnetz...
I cannot find a 2nd hand one with my part number.
Any other Ideas or options before I get new one..
Weird thing is that VCDS does not pick up any faults with the bordnetz..
Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: None
Part No: 17S 937 049 E
Component: BORDNETZ-SG. V2.03
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 408B44336A13
No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error occurred
Kuven Aramugam
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
You indicators work fine though?
If you can, swap boardnetz with another citi & gauge.
Sounds like a earth/wiring issue to me...
If you can, swap boardnetz with another citi & gauge.
Sounds like a earth/wiring issue to me...
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Indicators working without any issues. The car did have some weird cutoff switch but that was disconnected.
If I use another bordnetz to test, will indicator, hazardss still work and jus car won't start due to bix not being coded?
If I use another bordnetz to test, will indicator, hazardss still work and jus car won't start due to bix not being coded?
Naku786 wrote:You indicators work fine though?
If you can, swap boardnetz with another citi & gauge.
Sounds like a earth/wiring issue to me...
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
How did the cut of switch work, from where did they take power? did they cut into the loom to bridge the fuel pump power?MK1-GT wrote:Indicators working without any issues. The car did have some weird cutoff switch but that was disconnected.
If I use another bordnetz to test, will indicator, hazardss still work and jus car won't start due to bix not being coded?
Hmmm im not 100% sure, but I think it will work. ( i have a decoded ecu so had issues swapping)
1893cc racecar - back in the garage
Solo786 wrote:after you bust the rsi , should have put down the window and asked "Do you even lift bro?"
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Imm not sure how the cutoff was connected but a very reliable persson disconnected it. Any ideas where I can check for a wiring diagram maybe?Naku786 wrote:
How did the cut of switch work, from where did they take power? did they cut into the loom to bridge the fuel pump power?
Hmmm im not 100% sure, but I think it will work. ( i have a decoded ecu so had issues swapping)
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
1893cc racecar - back in the garage
Solo786 wrote:after you bust the rsi , should have put down the window and asked "Do you even lift bro?"
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Ok thanx dude., I will try and see if I can figure it out or will just try an electrician if I dont come right.
But I had the battery disconnected (positive was off the terminal). I connected it last night to try and start the car and immediately when I connected the Terminal the Hazards came on... So something is a bit strange...
But I had the battery disconnected (positive was off the terminal). I connected it last night to try and start the car and immediately when I connected the Terminal the Hazards came on... So something is a bit strange...
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Sounds like a short in your wiring to the hazard switch...
1893cc racecar - back in the garage
Solo786 wrote:after you bust the rsi , should have put down the window and asked "Do you even lift bro?"
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Trust me when I say its the boardnetz unit its an old problem see " http://vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php ... 4#p1928661 "
Also your boardnetz will not show that fault!
Andrew
Also your boardnetz will not show that fault!
Andrew
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
It a very weird and confusing problem.. Thanks for all ur assistance dude. ..Naku786 wrote:Sounds like a short in your wiring to the hazard switch...
Thanks, was just trying to see and rule out all other possibilities first...But seems like going to have to get a new bordnetz...cpureaper wrote:Trust me when I say its the boardnetz unit its an old problem see " http://vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php ... 4#p1928661 "
Also your boardnetz will not show that fault!
Andrew
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
When its flashing disconnect the boardnetz unit should stop had similar problems with rear wipers
Andy
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Ok so last night I decided to take out the bordnetz and check it out..
While I was taking it out and trying to unplug the 2 cables, the hazards when on....
Seem like this bordnetz was worked on before.. Opened the bordnetz up and seen tracks might be damaged.
Check the bottom right of the board.
While I was taking it out and trying to unplug the 2 cables, the hazards when on....
Seem like this bordnetz was worked on before.. Opened the bordnetz up and seen tracks might be damaged.
Check the bottom right of the board.
Kuven Aramugam
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Ahh the good old water problem! If you can get someone to re solder the tracks and the pin contacts. Well done with your find! What is the number on that bordnetz? Andy
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
I even forgot water could have also caused it...cpureaper wrote:Ahh the good old water problem! If you can get someone to re solder the tracks and the pin contacts. Well done with your find! What is the number on that bordnetz? Andy
Part number is 17S 937 049 E
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
That sure looks like water! check both the x relieve relay and the fuel pump relay as they are upside down. even if not try and turn the relays around. Did u get it resoldered? Also how do the terminals look on the connectrs?
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Where about do i find those relays? are they also same place under the dash?cpureaper wrote:That sure looks like water! check both the x relieve relay and the fuel pump relay as they are upside down. even if not try and turn the relays around. Did u get it resoldered? Also how do the terminals look on the connectrs?
I bought a new bordnetz on saturday and plugged it in at about 4pm... From 4PM saturday till last night, sunday @ about 8 the hazards never went off automatically... So it seems that it was the bordnetz. I disconnected the battery so that the battery doesnt die cause i currently not using the golf.
I am also going to check who can solder that box for me and keep maybe as a spare...
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Same side right hand close to the fuse box 53 on the two!
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
hi guys
please assist,my box for the indicators is damaged and i would like to get another one,can you please hook me up.
please assist,my box for the indicators is damaged and i would like to get another one,can you please hook me up.
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Re: Hazard - bordnetz
Hi there..
U will need to check at scrapyard.. I found one from a guy that was stripping citi golf.
Sorry bud.
U will need to check at scrapyard.. I found one from a guy that was stripping citi golf.
Sorry bud.
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Current Ride:
2005 VW Polo 1.9 TDi Sportline
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Previous Rides:
1984 MK1 GT (Sold)
2003 Golf 4 1.6i 2door (Sold)
1967 VW Split Window Panel Van(Sold)
1962 VW Split Window Crew Cab (Sold)
2003 Golf 4 GTI(sold)
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