VR6 vs ABF which is better motor....

[bennit]

I was paging through a mag and noticed that an abf motor is more pricier than a voora, why? Demand perhaps? Now i would like to know which is better motor overall, in terms of modding, and bang for buck. And how much are these motors rated standard, correct me if im wrong, vr6 128kw/240nm & abf 110kw? Maintanance wise? Abf parts, are they accessable?

[young gun]

many different factors would depend on making a choice like that.

[dazza]

I was paging through a mag and noticed that an abf motor is more pricier than a voora, why? Demand perhaps? Now i would like to know which is better motor overall, in terms of modding, and bang for buck. And how much are these motors rated standard, correct me if im wrong, vr6 128kw/240nm & abf 110kw? Maintanance wise? Abf parts, are they accessable?

ABF is rated at 110kw at the fly but it was beleived there was word that they were actually detuned to 110kw in Europe and are more like 125kw at the fly.
Vr6 is nice but the ABF is a real gem.

[Fiefster]

Id also say depends on what you want. Lets say you want to fit it into a citi golf then there is no point in fitting the VR as it will cost you a lot more and will require much more work. Where as in a golf 3 body its a different story. There the VR conversion might still be more expensive (stand corrected) but Id say way more worth fitting than the abf.

[dogg]

i say visa versa.. vr = king

+11ty billion.. I had an Original Golf 3 2door ABF and I wanted a VR but my reason was for the tone of the motor.
Performance didn't bother me much.

[Velofox]

i say visa versa.. vr = king

+11ty billion.. I had an Original Golf 3 2door ABF and I wanted a VR but my reason was for the tone of the motor.
Performance didn't bother me much.

oh yeah...

[Killerwatt]

Both motors have their own pros and cons, i think slightly more cons for the vr. But you will never ever in a million years get an abf to sound like a vr6. So i vote VR.

[CRASH_IT]

I was paging through a mag and noticed that an abf motor is more pricier than a voora, why? Demand perhaps? Now i would like to know which is better motor overall, in terms of modding, and bang for buck. And how much are these motors rated standard, correct me if im wrong, vr6 128kw/240nm & abf 110kw? Maintanance wise? Abf parts, are they accessable?

ABF is rated at 110kw at the fly but it was beleived there was word that they were actually detuned to 110kw in Europe and are more like 125kw at the fly.
Vr6 is nice but the ABF is a real gem.

correct

[SHAUN]

Id love a VR motor in a mk1, even if so many go against it, i just dont want the fuel consumption lol

[panic-mechanic]

ABF all in all is much better bang for buck.

[young gun]

if you think with your head you are going to find yourself going the ABF route, but like everone is saying the smart money would go ABF as it does in all honesty out perform the VR, but if you do drop a VR in it its because its something you really want not because its the smarter choice. Im going VR in my jetta 2 for that exact reason, other option would be 2.0 20VT which would put both motors to shame!

[joggiep]

I stand to be corrected but getting ahold of VR6 gearboxes are aparently getting a bit difficult.. so there might be problem 1.
To make a VR6 go into a MK1 or 2 is going to be a lot more work the ABF is a lott less.
Then the weight of the VR6 wil effect handling more so than the ABF.

I agree with the VR6 for looks and the sound.

[zain_c]

I'd go ABF for sure. Love that motor to bits...pity they so pricey.

[young gun]

I stand to be corrected but getting ahold of VR6 gearboxes are aparently getting a bit difficult..

+10000000000000000!!! fooking hard to get hold of, i have been looking for awhile now with no luck, but if you are prepared to pay, when one surfaces its not cheap at all.

VR swap into an mk2 in all honesty is not that difficult if you have all the parts.

[Forest]

ABF with your current gearbox = R10 000
VR6 + VR6 gearbox (only 1 that works) = R10 000
Dont see a price differance....

Its all about supply and demand.
VR swop, usually only done in Mk3 VR6's = not high demand.
ABF works in almost any VW + its awesome = high demand.

VR6 FTMFW Haters!

[zain_c]

VR6 FTMFW Haters

[Zubair]

I would say ABF any day of the week, but lately I've been getting to drive a different Mk1 every week, and each has the same recipe, ABF, Dicktator,exhaust and what do you know, 130BHP atw. Its just too common(and for good reason). So I can't believe I'm going to say this, I'd like to drive a Mk1 with a VR6 6 pot in the front, and the 6 Pot sound out the rear, why? Because not everyone in my neighbourhood has one.

[zain_c]

aaaaah...i'd like to cruise Big Ron style too.

so more or less how much would a VR6 transplant cost to put into a citi?

[Smok3X]

VR6 Sounds awesome! But not for a Citi if you ask me... you wont last too long once the cops stop you and open the bonnet!

ABF FTW! 125KW ATF Easy! with standard motor!

[panic-mechanic]

I have driven a couple of mk1's with vr6 lump. All I can say is understeer......
In a mk2 and mk3 - yeah it's better but you also HAVE to upgrade springs and shocks and brakes for sure. As much as I love VR's I hate them. It's a fantastic sounding engine but in stock form it's pretty useless for it's capacity. Once you make it a 3.1 it's a heck of a lot better but it can use fuel that will make a sheik's eyes water.
I have genuinely played a lot with both and as I said ABF better bang for buck. When you leave reason at the door then yes the VR into other stuff becomes interesting and yes it stirs the soul for the sound and yes - it's not as common as the ABF. Then again I have a REAL soft spot for those 1.8 20v turbos......

[dazza]

Does anyone know exactly the weight difference between the ABF and VR6 motor...how much extra weight we talking?

[dogg]

Does anyone know exactly the weight difference between the ABF and VR6 motor...how much extra weight we talking?

Its not only the weight in the Mk1/Citi.. its the way the motor sits in the engine bay. It sits basically on top of the front suspension more towards the slam try. One can almost stand in the space in the back of the motor with a hair dryer for some Forced Induction.

[Monster]

...... ABF ...... Its just too common(and for good reason)...

Why i put a t on mine, not too many of those around. (methinks)

[young gun]

Its not only the weight in the Mk1/Citi.. its the way the motor sits in the engine bay. It sits basically on top of the front suspension more towards the slam try. One can almost stand in the space in the back of the motor with a hair dryer for some Forced Induction.

Yebo. the VR motor mounts in such a way that it sits pretty much straight up whereas your normal 4 pot sit slanted backwards.

And i stand to be corrected but the difference in weight between a 4 pot setup and the VR is only like 80 pounds. same thing was asked on vwvortex

[Ansell]

Yeah. The ABF in a MK3 is 1115kgs and the VR6 in a MK3 is 1180kgs. All 5 doors. That's about 65kgs difference. The ABF has about 10.13kgs per kw and the VR6 is about 9.21kgs per kw. This is just in the case of a MK3 that the VR6 has better power to weight. For comparison my MK3 is a 1.8 MP9 which is 1035kgs and 82kw which gives it a power to weight of about 12.6kgs per kw. All in all, booooyaaa!