Going 2.0I on a Mk1 Velociti 1.4i or 1.6i

[Fatboyslim]

Hi Guys

Just toying with an idea here , ive read many posts here about guys going 2.0i on a mk1 's , like SJS with the long block ADY running Gotech and Sixteen10 with the
1.4i shortblock MP9 conversion, but i cant really figure out what is the best for a daily drive with some peri peri

also i would want to keep the conversion below 10K so it would have to stay 8V for now coz i dont think you could do a 16V for that kind of money

so my question is who recommends what and why and for how much
all ideas welcome

[zain_c]

all i can say is do it!

ok i dont have a 2.0 YET. but i'm in the process. Bought ALL my spares and accessories this month. It's a plus as i've already got a branch, powerflow zorst, Estas cam and Uni-Q in my 1.4i. so that would also be perfect for the 2.0 whether its gona be a 2E or ADY. A good friend of mine on the forum (TinTin) just made a list of everything i needed and i went out to buy it. Everything came to about R2000 which includes a service kit eg. Oil, petrol filter, sparkies etc. so all my parts are nicely stocked up in my dad's garage with receipts and all.

Unfortunately just as i was about to buy the motor something else came up which had me prioritizing. gona be outta the country for about 2months. so i'll be commencing with the build as soon as i come back. so the motor sells for R3600 at a importer down here in CT, TinTin and i (he's a pain to work with) will be doing the labour, and about a R1000 for the car to be dyno tuned. Oh yes and i'm getting the 2.0 computer box very soon (R450 with trading my 1.4i box in).

so in total it will work out to about + - R8k. Still thinking bout whether i should upgrade my cam from 272 to 282.

Everyone that i know thats done a 2.0 8v conversion upgrade from 1.4i runs pretty well. There's TinTin, Swyster, Kurt, Mojo and another guy Matthew...so they'll be able to give you more detail than what i just did. And they running pretty decent times on the strip too.

if you finish your build before i do...please make a detailed thread.

so i definitely recommend it alotta guys will disagree but thats probably because they 16v guys.

[lawrence]

I am running a 2l8v in the polo (1.4 originally), with 276 estas cam, gotech, exhaust, branches, no headwork yet but she still runs nice. For the budget you have I'd say go for it.... the jump from the 1.4 is well worth the money, and will give you the 'peri-peri' you are after.

You can check out my rides thread here... http://www.vwclub.co.za/phpbb3/viewtopi ... 5#p1132675

Zain... I am also considering changing from a 276 to a 282 or maybe even a 288 (just a bit worried about living with the lumpiness in bumper to bumper traffic)... let me know how the 282 works out if you go that route... I find the 276 more than easy enough to live with in a daily...

[Fatboyslim]

Thanks guys for the input

so is it a major problem getting the new motor cleared if i go 2E or ADY?
also does anyone have any input about boring the motor out to 2L like Sixteen10 had in his mk1?
what has to be changed if i go the boring route from 1.4i to 2.0i ?

oh ja whats the difference between the 2E and the ADY motor pro's and con's ?

thanks guys

[Wit Ark]

I use a 288 daily, works for me as i donth have hectic traffic driving. Must add idling has been set at 1100rpm to get it to idle without stalling and pulling away anywhere rpm needs to be at least 2500.

Its all worth it past 4000rpm

[MacMan]

Thanks guys for the input

so is it a major problem getting the new motor cleared if i go 2E or ADY?
also does anyone have any input about boring the motor out to 2L like Sixteen10 had in his mk1?
what has to be changed if i go the boring route from 1.4i to 2.0i ?

oh ja whats the difference between the 2E and the ADY motor pro's and con's ?

thanks guys

To convert from 1.4i to 2.0i:

1) 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0 head
2) 82.5mm Kombi 2.6 pistons
3) 2.0 crank
4) 2.0 oil pump
5) bore block to 82.5mm
6) Clearance oil pump mounting surface, inside of block and intermediate shaft gear
7) New big end and main bearings
210mm flywheel and clutch
9) Odds and ends like gaskets, head gasket, conrod bolts and nuts, flywheel bolts, pressure plate bolts, head bolts, etc.

[Wit Ark]

Save yourself the effort and money, sell your motor for like R2K and buy a complete 2.0l motor for Like 3.5-4.5k. done

[Fatboyslim]

I use a 288 daily, works for me as i donth have hectic traffic driving. Must add idling has been set at 1100rpm to get it to idle without stalling and pulling away anywhere rpm needs to be at least 2500.

Its all worth it past 4000rpm

Geez Bud yr car sounds like a monster
Ja i dont want anything mental i also want reliability with a bit of peri

[Fatboyslim]

Thanks guys for the input

so is it a major problem getting the new motor cleared if i go 2E or ADY?
also does anyone have any input about boring the motor out to 2L like Sixteen10 had in his mk1?
what has to be changed if i go the boring route from 1.4i to 2.0i ?

oh ja whats the difference between the 2E and the ADY motor pro's and con's ?

thanks guys

To convert from 1.4i to 2.0i:

1) 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0 head
2) 82.5mm Kombi 2.6 pistons
3) 2.0 crank
4) 2.0 oil pump
5) bore block to 82.5mm
6) Clearance oil pump mounting surface, inside of block and intermediate shaft gear
7) New big end and main bearings
210mm flywheel and clutch
9) Odds and ends like gaskets, head gasket, conrod bolts and nuts, flywheel bolts, pressure plate bolts, head bolts, etc.

Thanks Macman
is this what you did to your citi ?
if so what did it set you back and did you run the stock management?

[Wit Ark]

For a nice daily drive 2.0 8v, stick to the stock mp9 management, you can always later throw in a chip or a combination of the mp9 system and anther system. If you are building a more agressive setup, then go aftermarket once.

[Fatboyslim]

For a nice daily drive 2.0 8v, stick to the stock mp9 management, you can always later throw in a chip or a combination of the mp9 system and anther system. If you are building a more agressive setup, then go aftermarket once.

Sounds like the best option so far , im only worried about changing the engine and clearance and stuff , is it a major hassle with the cops to change a motor on the cars papers?

[MacMan]

Thanks guys for the input

so is it a major problem getting the new motor cleared if i go 2E or ADY?
also does anyone have any input about boring the motor out to 2L like Sixteen10 had in his mk1?
what has to be changed if i go the boring route from 1.4i to 2.0i ?

oh ja whats the difference between the 2E and the ADY motor pro's and con's ?

thanks guys

To convert from 1.4i to 2.0i:

1) 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0 head
2) 82.5mm Kombi 2.6 pistons
3) 2.0 crank
4) 2.0 oil pump
5) bore block to 82.5mm
6) Clearance oil pump mounting surface, inside of block and intermediate shaft gear
7) New big end and main bearings
210mm flywheel and clutch
9) Odds and ends like gaskets, head gasket, conrod bolts and nuts, flywheel bolts, pressure plate bolts, head bolts, etc.

Thanks Macman
is this what you did to your citi ?
if so what did it set you back and did you run the stock management?

Yip, except I converted from 1.6 carb to 2.0i. It set me back about 10k including things like oil cooler and bigger brakes. But I did all the work myself, except for the engineering of course.

Yes I ran a remapped 1.4i ECU with a 276 cam. It would have made a bit more power with a chip, but I didn't want to mess with the MP9 which ran faultlessly for years.

[Fatboyslim]

Shot dude

so if you had started with a 1.6i motor it would have been cheaper?
was head and cam std to make 109Hp ? in yr opinion would you go this route again or would you just swap the motor out for a ADY?

[TinTin]

just do the 2e swap... mac man is very handy = DIY king

[Fatboyslim]

just do the 2e swap... mac man is very handy = DIY king

Shot bud just had a look at your thread man your car looks awesome
i love the subtle but different looks almost like thats the way VW shouldve made it

so whats the difs between the 2E and the ADY ? eish so much i still need to learn about this stuff

[sjs]

so is it a major problem getting the new motor cleared if i go 2E or ADY?

oh ja whats the difference between the 2E and the ADY motor pro's and con's ?

No, it is not an issue at all, as long as you get it from a reputable dealer (not stolen).

Long story short: The ADY is the newer model which comes with all the modern fuel injection components.

Don't bother building a 2l 8v, as others have said, buying one is much more cost effective and easier to do.

Regarding fuel economy:
My current setup has approx. the same power output on the wheels as a stock Feista ST which has a 2l 16v motor (same dyno - KAR).
Driving to the Night Gymkhana, racing on the skid pan (many times) and driving home I used a 1/4 tank of pure 93 Unleaded petrol (I only use 93, 95 is an unnecessary rip-off for our cars).


Edit to add:

Check out my ride thread for my Citi's conversion to a modified 2.0i.
I have posted many detailed pics and explanations but feel free to ask me any questions.

[TinTin]

Shot bud just had a look at your thread man your car looks awesome
i love the subtle but different looks almost like thats the way VW shouldve made it

so whats the difs between the 2E and the ADY ? eish so much i still need to learn about this stuff

thanks bud.

wow that rides thread must be super old.. havnt updated that in years.. however there are more recent pics floating around the forum of my car.

ask zainy to send you a list of the part you will need, i just sent him a detailed list.

after that its a matter of bolt out and bolt in..

[Ken83]

Hi MacMan, can you please refraze on number 6 and will I still be using the 1.4 block, thanks

Thanks guys for the input

so is it a major problem getting the new motor cleared if i go 2E or ADY?
also does anyone have any input about boring the motor out to 2L like Sixteen10 had in his mk1?
what has to be changed if i go the boring route from 1.4i to 2.0i ?

oh ja whats the difference between the 2E and the ADY motor pro's and con's ?

thanks guys

To convert from 1.4i to 2.0i:

1) 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0 head
2) 82.5mm Kombi 2.6 pistons
3) 2.0 crank
4) 2.0 oil pump
5) bore block to 82.5mm
6) Clearance oil pump mounting surface, inside of block and intermediate shaft gear
7) New big end and main bearings
210mm flywheel and clutch
9) Odds and ends like gaskets, head gasket, conrod bolts and nuts, flywheel bolts, pressure plate bolts, head bolts, etc.

[buggyfan]

This thread explains the clearancing of the oilpump mounting surface with pics aswell
https://www.vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88521