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Hi guys .hope everyone's good .i have a seat ibiza it's a 20l 8v X flow . at the moment the motor is been taken apart and i am planning on boosting it .need advice on the parts needed ?
Going with a T28/T3.
Wat pistons should I use to drop compression. Or is it possible to resize the conrod if yes by how much ?
Injector size.and Wat injector can I buy to fit in the original fuel rail.
The car is been used every day I want it done reliable ?
Ecu: standard computer box with a dastec and a module. (injection module )

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Interesting project.

I cannot comment on the required parts though, goodluck!

What power are you hoping to make? Reliable and aftermarket turbo dont go together necessarily. What budget have you set? I would recommend it being a better idea to sell the 2.0 and buy an Ibiza Cupra 1.8T. At least then the rest of the chassis is built for the power (i.e. brakes, suspension, wheels etc)
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hubbly_bubbly wrote:Interesting project.

I cannot comment on the required parts though, goodluck!

What power are you hoping to make? Reliable and aftermarket turbo dont go together necessarily. What budget have you set? I would recommend it being a better idea to sell the 2.0 and buy an Ibiza Cupra 1.8T. At least then the rest of the chassis is built for the power (i.e. brakes, suspension, wheels etc)
I have around 30k .With the 1.8T would I still use the same stock computer box and looms or would I have to go aftermarket engine management?


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I dont see 30k being enough for a turbo conversion and the necessary suspension and brake upgrades, but if you're set on it scavenge as much as you can off a scrapped 1.8T (A3/Polo GTi/Cupra/Mk4)
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MarshallGTi wrote:I dont see 30k being enough for a turbo conversion and the necessary suspension and brake upgrades, but if you're set on it scavenge as much as you can off a scrapped 1.8T (A3/Polo GTi/Cupra/Mk4)
I'm sure the stock suspension and brakes should be Fine.as it's the same as a golf 5

I'm not looking for more then a bar of boost.


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I would rather find a decent Ibiza Cupra.
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MarshallGTi wrote:I dont see 30k being enough for a turbo conversion and the necessary suspension and brake upgrades, but if you're set on it scavenge as much as you can off a scrapped 1.8T (A3/Polo GTi/Cupra/Mk4)
I'm sure the stock suspension and brakes should be Fine.as it's the same as a golf 5
No, it's the same a MkIV/MkIVF Polo.
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Neuk wrote:I would rather find a decent Ibiza Cupra.
dfu wrote:
MarshallGTi wrote:I dont see 30k being enough for a turbo conversion and the necessary suspension and brake upgrades, but if you're set on it scavenge as much as you can off a scrapped 1.8T (A3/Polo GTi/Cupra/Mk4)
I'm sure the stock suspension and brakes should be Fine.as it's the same as a golf 5
No, it's the same a MkIV/MkIVF Polo.
Oh kwl .so would put changing the motor .Wat should I drop the compression to ? And what injectors will I need


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dfu wrote:
Neuk wrote:I would rather find a decent Ibiza Cupra.
dfu wrote:
MarshallGTi wrote:I dont see 30k being enough for a turbo conversion and the necessary suspension and brake upgrades, but if you're set on it scavenge as much as you can off a scrapped 1.8T (A3/Polo GTi/Cupra/Mk4)
I'm sure the stock suspension and brakes should be Fine.as it's the same as a golf 5
No, it's the same a MkIV/MkIVF Polo.
Oh kwl .so would put changing the motor .Wat should I drop the compression to ? And what injectors will I need


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Sorry I ment with out changing the motor .

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dfu wrote:
Neuk wrote:I would rather find a decent Ibiza Cupra.
dfu wrote:I'm sure the stock suspension and brakes should be Fine.as it's the same as a golf 5
No, it's the same a MkIV/MkIVF Polo.
Oh kwl .so would put changing the motor .Wat should I drop the compression to ? And what injectors will I need


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Sorry I ment with out changing the motor .

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y can't I get the car boosted for 30k

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dfu wrote:
dfu wrote:
Neuk wrote:I would rather find a decent Ibiza Cupra.
dfu wrote:I'm sure the stock suspension and brakes should be Fine.as it's the same as a golf 5
No, it's the same a MkIV/MkIVF Polo.
Oh kwl .so would put changing the motor .Wat should I drop the compression to ? And what injectors will I need


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I think the summary of advice would be to fix the 2.0l motor as is, put it back in the car and sell the whole car.

Then take the money from the car sale and extra R30k and buy an entire Ibiza Cupra.

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For our fuel you want about 8.5:1 to use 95 octane and 1 bar on that motor. Best is to bring the correct forged pistons in.
Graham savage that owns goldwagen CBD built a golf 4 with the same motor turbo. We ran it on a perfect power xms.
This piggyback plus turbo module thing never works for me but some people make it work. R30k os about half the budget it will actually cost you in the end.
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panic-mechanic wrote:For our fuel you want about 8.5:1 to use 95 octane and 1 bar on that motor. Best is to bring the correct forged pistons in.
Graham savage that owns goldwagen CBD built a golf 4 with the same motor turbo. We ran it on a perfect power xms.
This piggyback plus turbo module thing never works for me but some people make it work. R30k os about half the budget it will actually cost you in the end.
Thanks alot .Wat injectors should I use


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It really depends on the end power you aim for. And if you use the stock management already upping the injector size is an issue becuase for a start you have to remap the entire stock map for that.
So if it was me 440cc plus aftermarket.
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What about just dropping a 20VT AEG/AUG (i Think)

Motors are less than 30K and a solid base to start with. Add dictator, 440cc injectors, some plumbing and perhaps a bigger turbo and you could do it for less than 50K but at least you can do it step by step?
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Like so: http://www.vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic ... 0&t=207848

Then you might have some change after fitting this and do the upgrades one at a time or buy all the hardware bit by bit and install in the end.
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Why spend all the time, money and effort on this when you can just buy a Cupra?
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Buy a Cupra or spend double and make an awesome build thread.
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Neuk wrote:Why spend all the time, money and effort on this when you can just buy a Cupra?
The only reason anyone would want to do this would be for the 4 doors vs the Cupra's two.
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Supervan II wrote:
Neuk wrote:Why spend all the time, money and effort on this when you can just buy a Cupra?
The only reason anyone would want to do this would be for the 4 doors vs the Cupra's two.
Then I would rather buy a 9n3 Polo GTi if I wanted four doors that much, which I never have.
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Supervan II wrote:
Neuk wrote:Why spend all the time, money and effort on this when you can just buy a Cupra?
The only reason anyone would want to do this would be for the 4 doors vs the Cupra's two.
The car that we doing the setup on is a security response car .We just want a Lil more power out of it .even if it's boost till 0.5 bar. The car is not going to go on a track or racing other cars . .that's y I asked .to boost that motor at 0.5 bar .Wat will I require. .Size injector
.is it fyn to use a t28/t3
.or is fyn to put a double head gasket, or use just use 1 gasket. ...
We do not want to sell the car .



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Last thing I would want is to have a security team with unreliable vehicles.

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