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Re: MK7 R judder when brake creeping in traffic

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///M wrote:
Neuk wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:12 am
///M wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:52 pm My wife has a 2018 GTI, bought brand new, has around 4000km on now. It does exactly what the OP is saying. I also have a 2016 Polo TSI DSG, bought brand new, currently getting Gearbox replaced at VW. Clutches were changed less than 10000km ago.

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Coincidence that both cars are in the same household?
I have 3 VAG DSG cars, and my F80 M3 is Dct. All dual clutch transmission. All 3 VAGs
have gearbox related issues, and the M, which is punished to the max whenever driven, has no issue whatsoever.

Coincidence?
Yeah, Borg Warner make **** dual clutch gearboxes.



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BMW M3 used a Getrag DCT.
But trust me they were also not without problems. Just type DCT transmission problems into a google search and see how many hits you get.
Even BMW themselves are saying they are fragile and will be dropped in favour of standard autos in the future.
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:lol: I call bullshite on everything this oke says
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panic-mechanic wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:25 am BMW M3 used a Getrag DCT.
But trust me they were also not without problems. Just type DCT transmission problems into a google search and see how many hits you get.
Even BMW themselves are saying they are fragile and will be dropped in favour of standard autos in the future.
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Nothing can be worse than the BMW SMG gearboxes?
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SMG was not DCT. totally different thing. It was literally a single clutch basically normally manual transmission that was electro-mechanically operated. So literally a manual box but with actuators.
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panic-mechanic wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:11 pm SMG was not DCT. totally different thing. It was literally a single clutch basically normally manual transmission that was electro-mechanically operated. So literally a manual box but with actuators.
I never said it was, I merely said that nothing can be worse than an SMG gearbox, besides maybe the gearbox in my Type 2 or my old Type 3 :lol:
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SMG is not that bad... I jump into the M3 which is SMG from time to time and its not painful at all.. after I Flashed it with CSL transmission software 2 months back its even better/smoother/faster...
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panic-mechanic wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:39 pm
But either way - that very thing you are talking about - Brake creeping is the biggest killer of Both of those types of boxes and even clutches of actual manual boxes. It is a bad habit too that you should try to avoid if all possible. Ie let the traffic move away a little and then moving off semi smartly so that the clutch can properly close instead of being in partial engaged mode, creeping along.
While reading the post and seeing the word "creeping", the above was going to be my same response. Learnt/remembered this from some Youtube videos watched after I bought my auto BMW. I have now gotten used to letting the traffic move away a little before I start moving.
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jtm wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:01 am
panic-mechanic wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:39 pm The Golf DSG box and the Audi S-tronic are very different gearboxes. The golf one is borg warner and the Audi is a ZF with very different actual design.
The one in the golf is also a dry clutch unit currently while the S-tronic is wet clutch.
But either way - that very thing you are talking about - Brake creeping is the biggest killer of Both of those types of boxes and even clutches of actual manual boxes. It is a bad habit too that you should try to avoid if all possible. Ie let the traffic move away a little and then moving off semi smartly so that the clutch can properly close instead of being in partial engaged mode, creeping along.
There is procedure to reset the the clutch touch points and calibration which might assist with it. Ask your dealership to do it for you.
The clutches in the golf are a LOT cheaper and also more common to find hence cheaper.
Aren't the golf GTI and R DSG's wet clutches too?
You get different DSG/S-Tronic boxes...

DQ200 7 speed (dry)
DQ250 6 speed (wet)
DQ380 7 speed (wet)
DQ500 7 speed (wet)

Maybe Panic is referring to the brand new Audi RS4/5's that run 8 speed ZF boxes? Or very old Audi's...
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Quick question regarding DSG best practice. When in downhill traffic should I put the car in neutral and coast? As opposed to brake creeping?

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To me, depends on the speed. If the car can creep with the clutches fully engaged, leave it in gear. If the creeping is slow enough than the clutches have to slip, put the car into neutral. As to which speed the clutches engage vs slip, if I need to use the brakes to hold the car, I put it into neutral. otherwise I leave it in drive.
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