To cone or not to cone ??
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To cone or not to cone ??
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I got bored over the weekend and fitted a CRP cone filter similar to the pic. At first it was mounted with a 90 degree silicone pipe and aluminium angled pipe (63mm) but I would get this strange hesitation/missing in the 3000 - 4000 rpm range, before and after that it pulls smooth. I then removed the piping as I suspect the silicone fitting as the culprit. I now have the cone connected strait to the MAF housing and it pulls great but at about 5000 rpm it makes this really loud whistling sound that goes away at about 6000rpm .... is this normal or should I just chuck it all out and go back to the stock airbox ??
I got bored over the weekend and fitted a CRP cone filter similar to the pic. At first it was mounted with a 90 degree silicone pipe and aluminium angled pipe (63mm) but I would get this strange hesitation/missing in the 3000 - 4000 rpm range, before and after that it pulls smooth. I then removed the piping as I suspect the silicone fitting as the culprit. I now have the cone connected strait to the MAF housing and it pulls great but at about 5000 rpm it makes this really loud whistling sound that goes away at about 6000rpm .... is this normal or should I just chuck it all out and go back to the stock airbox ??
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Re: To cone or not to cone ??
Put back the stock airbox with a good quality filter (try goldwagon for a Hengst filter)
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The only time you cone is when it's filled with icecream, then you add a flake forAirborneZA wrote:Ola
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+1 000 000Howie-WP wrote:The only time you cone is when it's filled with icecream, then you add a flake forAirborneZA wrote:Ola
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That's the sound of a turbo getting all the air , The 90 degree messes with the MAF reading hence the hesitation. Think about , with the 90 degree there will be more air flowing on the one side of the MAF.
Choice is yours whether to go back to stock or not ,
I usually put my stock air box back when taking the long road that has the expected gravel roads and dust etc.....but otherwise love the noises
Choice is yours whether to go back to stock or not ,
I usually put my stock air box back when taking the long road that has the expected gravel roads and dust etc.....but otherwise love the noises
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Well, I am pretty flaky so does that count ????Howie-WP wrote:The only time you cone is when it's filled with icecream, then you add a flake forAirborneZA wrote:Ola
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stock airbox....
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imo, if you want to a different sounding car or just need a change, maybe do the exhaust first... it's a mod that actually gives back...
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Cone filters are for boys and citi golf's that want to try their first mod. I say stick to the oem filter box and upgrade the filter inside
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whats so bad about a cone filter?
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i have a cone on my car but only due to space constraints, but it is a bmc afterall
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What's bad is that people don't do cone filter upgrades the "right way"turbowheelchair wrote:whats so bad about a cone filter?
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The filtration, its a maf killer, in some cases decreases power.turbowheelchair wrote:whats so bad about a cone filter?
In my opinion, the only pros are they sound cool and come in different sizes.
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Re: To cone or not to cone ??
I put a cone when I wanna make some noise just for 2 or 3 days then gooi the stock box back, I don't keep it there permanent.
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i had to cone....
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so what will be the right way to fit a cone filter? and howcome they kill the MAF?
I prefer the OEM look. but i ask just for interest sake
I prefer the OEM look. but i ask just for interest sake
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How's that hot air treating your engine?ob wan wrote:i had to cone....
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The correct way is to firstly purchase a cone filter that's the right size for your car, not one that has a bigger diameter than the cars rim. Then secondly you can either buy a cold air intake system off the Internet or ultimately design your own which is usually beat as only you will know what design will work best for your engine bay. Essentially you want to design a intake system that either directs or redirects cold air from the front to your cone filter and at the same time block off hot excess air from the physical engine. Once you've completed that setup and you are satisfied with the way it operates, you will need to update your vehicles software to accompany the difference in the intake air your vehicle will receive now with a different intake setup. Basically redo air a fuel ratio. Main issue here is no one does the second and third part at all. You can Google ideas by using the words "cone filter heat plate" this should provide you with ample images that can direct you into a design for your cars engine bay.turbowheelchair wrote:so what will be the right way to fit a cone filter? and howcome they kill the MAF?
I prefer the OEM look. but i ask just for interest sake
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200wkw @ 0.8bar for 40 000+... km's.... seems to be holding up, using it as a daily with a 57mm exhaust....smitbrandon wrote:How's that hot air treating your engine?ob wan wrote:i had to cone....
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I thought that stuff went without saying,smitbrandon wrote:The correct way is to firstly purchase a cone filter that's the right size for your car, not one that has a bigger diameter than the cars rim. Then secondly you can either buy a cold air intake system off the Internet or ultimately design your own which is usually beat as only you will know what design will work best for your engine bay. Essentially you want to design a intake system that either directs or redirects cold air from the front to your cone filter and at the same time block off hot excess air from the physical engine. Once you've completed that setup and you are satisfied with the way it operates, you will need to update your vehicles software to accompany the difference in the intake air your vehicle will receive now with a different intake setup. Basically redo air a fuel ratio. Main issue here is no one does the second and third part at all. You can Google ideas by using the words "cone filter heat plate" this should provide you with ample images that can direct you into a design for your cars engine bay.turbowheelchair wrote:so what will be the right way to fit a cone filter? and howcome they kill the MAF?
I prefer the OEM look. but i ask just for interest sake
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with regards to redoing the airfuel ratio. i ddnt think that would be required, as the ratio should be the same whether there is more air or less air. but with colder air i can understand why the ratio will go off.
thanks for the explination.
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Volkswagen I guess and your oil usage? Coolant usage? Carbon build up on the valves?ob wan wrote:200wkw @ 0.8bar for 40 000+... km's.... seems to be holding up, using it as a daily with a 57mm exhaust....smitbrandon wrote:How's that hot air treating your engine?ob wan wrote:i had to cone....
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Like they say, small things make a huge difference in the end. It's about ensuring your car runs as efficient as possible while you enjoy it.turbowheelchair wrote:I thought that stuff went without saying,smitbrandon wrote:The correct way is to firstly purchase a cone filter that's the right size for your car, not one that has a bigger diameter than the cars rim. Then secondly you can either buy a cold air intake system off the Internet or ultimately design your own which is usually beat as only you will know what design will work best for your engine bay. Essentially you want to design a intake system that either directs or redirects cold air from the front to your cone filter and at the same time block off hot excess air from the physical engine. Once you've completed that setup and you are satisfied with the way it operates, you will need to update your vehicles software to accompany the difference in the intake air your vehicle will receive now with a different intake setup. Basically redo air a fuel ratio. Main issue here is no one does the second and third part at all. You can Google ideas by using the words "cone filter heat plate" this should provide you with ample images that can direct you into a design for your cars engine bay.turbowheelchair wrote:so what will be the right way to fit a cone filter? and howcome they kill the MAF?
I prefer the OEM look. but i ask just for interest sake
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with regards to redoing the airfuel ratio. i ddnt think that would be required, as the ratio should be the same whether there is more air or less air. but with colder air i can understand why the ratio will go off.
thanks for the explination.
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apologies, this is the new setup, 45000whatwhatkm's....
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boringly reliable..........
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