Scirocco R DSG - Start of failure or not?

[Wernervr]

Good day all, just to find out if I should be worried or not, not sure if this will be a one-off or the start of a DSG problem. on Monday night I had a run against a new ROC R , the launch in launch mode was prefect but when going to 2nd it was almost like engaging neutral with a hard Rev and a moment later it only engaged 2nd.

Any suggestions or information please, I have 48k km on the clock and car went for service in January, I run stage 2 software but no software on DSG. Thanks.

[Uncle Nunda]

maybe it hit the torque limiter for a bit

[MaX]

Good day all, just to find out if I should be worried or not, not sure if this will be a one-off or the start of a DSG problem. on Monday night I had a run against a new ROC R , the launch in launch mode was prefect but when going to 2nd it was almost like engaging neutral with a hard Rev and a moment later it only engaged 2nd.

Any suggestions or information please, I have 48k km on the clock and car went for service in January, I run stage 2 software but no software on DSG. Thanks.

What was the outcome of the race?

[Wernervr]

LOL @ MaX. 1st gear I pulled about a car length, with the hesitation in 2nd he passed and pulled about 2lengths , in 4th I passed and pulled about 3 lengths and tapped off.

Not sure if the guy is also on the forum, very nice white R with black mags.

Cheers.

[Wernervr]

@ Uncle Nunda, hoping you're right, will give it a retry and hope it works well. Took a drive to Komatipoort and back yesterday, all felt good but I was hesitant to blast it on takeoff.

Another quick question, sometimes when I encounter wheels spin on launches it feels like the wheels are bouncing on the other tarmac, can it be tyre pressure? To soft? To hard?

Thanks.

[MaX]

@ Uncle Nunda, hoping you're right, will give it a retry and hope it works well. Took a drive to Komatipoort and back yesterday, all felt good but I was hesitant to blast it on takeoff.

Another quick question, sometimes when I encounter wheels spin on launches it feels like the wheels are bouncing on the other tarmac, can it be tyre pressure? To soft? To hard?

Thanks.

Hahahaha, nice run. The bouncing (wheel hop) I get on my MK7 too. Played with tire pressures and it didnt really help. I think you need to upgrade engine\gearbox mounts to fix but im not willing to give it a go due to the sacrifice in NVH levels.

[Hoosier Daddy]

As Nunda said it's most likely the torque limiter kicking in. The wheel hop you experience is a secondary vibration caused by matching frequencies. Not very nice and you can get rid of it with a proper dog bone insert or decent coilovers.

[UzziB]

As Nunda said it's most likely the torque limiter kicking in. The wheel hop you experience is a secondary vibration caused by matching frequencies. Not very nice and you can get rid of it with a proper dog bone insert or decent coilovers.

[rodga]

As Nunda said it's most likely the torque limiter kicking in. The wheel hop you experience is a secondary vibration caused by matching frequencies. Not very nice and you can get rid of it with a proper dog bone insert or decent coilovers.

this

[MaX]

Oh sorry, dont speak VWCSA, dog bone insert (its an engine mount)

[MaX]

BTW - maybe take a drive in a car with these uprated "dog bones" and then decide if you want to do it on your car.

[rodga]

its the mount between the engine and gearbox, looks like a ... uhm dog bone lol

[Uncle Nunda]

http://www.vagcafe.com/product/superpro ... sert-2009/

dogmount

[MaX]

its the mount between the engine and gearbox, looks like a ... uhm dog bone lol

Your poor dogs... maybe we talking of different mounts

[dazza]

Go and find the most congested road in JHB at peak hour, spend 1 hour in stop and go traffic and you will soon no if something is wrong. If the box remains smooth as silk after this test then its still OK, if it gets really clunky during pull off then you know its stuffed

[Wernervr]

Thanks for the info gents. Much appreciated...

[Hoosier Daddy]

its the mount between the engine and gearbox, looks like a ... uhm dog bone lol

Your poor dogs... maybe we talking of different mounts

Yes this insert is pushed into the front portion of the dog bone which connects the engine and gearbox. It is not a stand alone engine mount, it is commonly referred to as a the dogbone mounting

[MaX]

its the mount between the engine and gearbox, looks like a ... uhm dog bone lol

Yes this insert is pushed into the front portion of the dog bone which connects the engine and gearbox. It is not a stand alone engine mount, it is commonly referred to as a the dogbone mounting

We are on the same page

[MaX]

Trolling around for the next mod on the golf, I came across this. Explains everything rather nicely and tell the difference between dog bone insert and uprated mounts.

http://volkswagenracing.co.uk/parts/upr ... ine-mount/

[Wernervr]

So I have tried the launch control again today, same storry, when changing from 1st to 2nd its almost like I engage neutral until the revs drop a bit and then only engages 2nd, if I padleshift to 2nd on 5.5k revs then it's fine.

Is there a fix for this problem? If its is the torque limiter that's kicking in will it always do it?

Thanks

[Wernervr]

Seems it is the start of a faculty mechatronic unit, just had a word with the guy at Unitronic , lol, suppose there is no fixing under warranty with mods.

[Wernervr]

Just an update. So I was refered to a guy from Germany who has moved here last year and specializes in DSG, hear he can even open mechatronic unit and repair if needed, called VAGbox , in Pta. Took the car to him this morning and he ran diagnostics, said the box and cluch still good and within parameters.

Took him for a drive to show him what is does, and with 3 tries I had no luck, lol, usually how it goes. He say the only thing that can cause the gearbox to do this is more power on the engine and if there is just a millisecond between the engine computer and the dsg computer it will do it to protect the gearbox , say after software and upgrade to engine one should do the same to the dsg and even consider upgraded cluch.

So luckily there was not cost involved. Very helpful guy, would recommend him for any dsg problems.

His name: Jacek (Vagbox) - 325 Ridgeview rd, Waterkloof Ridge Pretoria. - +27812751787

Cheers

[Hoosier Daddy]

Sweetness! Nothing to worry about man just enjoy the car and save up for a DSG flash from a reputable dealer

[Wernervr]

Quick update on DSG. So since the last post I have monitored how the DSG performs under different conditions, driving slow as in everyday traffic etc it goes about the job as one would expect.

Doing a launch on tarmac that is smooth results in more wheelspin and if not changed manually before it reaches max revs it wheelspins just pass 7000revs and normally then when its sound like I'm hitting neutral , cure I have found is to change manually between 5 and 6000revs stops it from happening.

Just nailing it from a pull away or when already moving in town or highway sometimes makes me think its indecisive about which gear it wants to pick as it might select a gear just for a short moment and then select another.

My conclusion is that it might needs software as per previous replies and suggestions, I am running Unitronic software and asked they also provide gearbox flashing, very expensive I might add .

Is this good software according to experience of most of the consumers driving VW or could someone please also point me in a direction if there is software that I should take a look at...

THANKS...

[Uncle Nunda]

Yeah the dsg software price from all guys doing it is not cheap at all