Nope, Audi stock. Seriously, nothing has been done to the car.NeoSA wrote:^ Durban "stock"
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Nope, Audi stock. Seriously, nothing has been done to the car.NeoSA wrote:^ Durban "stock"
That's wkw as wellruan9n wrote:On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!
I wish it was 0.3-0.5sec on my car.Stu wrote:what does each gear change on a manual car cost on a 1/4m maybe 0.3-0.5 of a Sec of which most cars do around 3 changes
Don't cars make a little more wkw down in DBN as opposed to up here in JHB? I know NA cars definitely do, but I believe even turbo'ed cars benefit from the lowered altitude. Good to know my car makes about 20wkw more than a stock 7 GTiruan9n wrote:On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!
And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.Hoosier Daddy wrote:That's wkw as wellruan9n wrote:On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!
VW POLOTIC wrote:And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.Hoosier Daddy wrote:That's wkw as wellruan9n wrote:On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!
I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!
Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.
NeoSA wrote:VW POLOTIC wrote:And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.Hoosier Daddy wrote:That's wkw as wellruan9n wrote:On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!
I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!
Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.
As conservative as VW can be, some dynos can be optimistic as well. This thread still has not discussed the original question, as to why some VWs that make less power than their rivals can still be faster on the 400m stretch and/or around a track. My answer remains that suspension and traction systems in VW's are superior than those found, in say, Astra OPCs.
Okay, okay, I concede. Engineering has f'all to do with it. VW has the kakkest suspension systems in the World, but they completely misquote their kW figures and actually make more power than the sun. In fact, adding software on any VW actually lowers the power.SemiColon wrote:NeoSA wrote:VW POLOTIC wrote:And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.Hoosier Daddy wrote: That's wkw as well
I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!
Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.
As conservative as VW can be, some dynos can be optimistic as well. This thread still has not discussed the original question, as to why some VWs that make less power than their rivals can still be faster on the 400m stretch and/or around a track. My answer remains that suspension and traction systems in VW's are superior than those found, in say, Astra OPCs.
You are not listening.
132kw PGTI-168whp
166kw ST - 190whp
184kw ST - 195whp
162kw GTI7-227whp
205kw OPC- 243whp
Same Dyno, same day. Do you see the GTI7? do you? wait let me make it bold.
Because the VWs make more power at the wheels -AKA, they aren't actually less powerful. I think we got to that alreadyNeoSA wrote:VW POLOTIC wrote:And that's the whole point. VW claims FKW, which is always quite a bit more than WKW due to drive train losses. So receiving close to manufacturing claimed flywheel KW at your wheels, is quite an achievement.Hoosier Daddy wrote:That's wkw as wellruan9n wrote:On dubrun....on the stealth dyno, a stock mk7 GTI made 162kw spot on!
I can't believe it took 4 pages on this toilit forim to summarize that!
Just to add, my PGTI made 112wkw stock... so VW can be very conservative when claiming power.
As conservative as VW can be, some dynos can be optimistic as well. This thread still has not discussed the original question, as to why some VWs that make less power than their rivals can still be faster on the 400m stretch and/or around a track. My answer remains that suspension and traction systems in VW's are superior than those found, in say, Astra OPCs.
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Yes traction plays a big part. Nobody denies that. You're denying that power at the wheels matters.NeoSA wrote:You guys keep going on about power differences on the Dyno as if that's the law. Please explain to me how a Lumina SS (2007 model) that makes a metric KAK-HUIS more power than my car on a dyno struggles to pass me on a quarter mile stretch?
The answer is traction and suspension, but feel free to overlook that.
Weight, gearing, tractionNeoSA wrote:You guys keep going on about power differences on the Dyno as if that's the law. Please explain to me how a Lumina SS (2007 model) that makes a metric KAK-HUIS more power than my car on a dyno struggles to pass me on a quarter mile stretch?
The answer is traction and suspension, but feel free to overlook that.
NeoSA wrote:Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.
LMAO. well played.SemiColon wrote:NeoSA wrote:Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.
Why would you detune a GTI?
both cars can make the exact same power but their torque/kw curve can be totally different??NeoSA wrote:LMAO. well played.SemiColon wrote:NeoSA wrote:Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.
Why would you detune a GTI?
tooTidy wrote:both cars can make the exact same power but their torque/kw curve can be totally different??NeoSA wrote:LMAO. well played.SemiColon wrote:NeoSA wrote:Let me put it like this: take a focus ST and a Golf 6 GTi and set them up so that both make 180kW at the wheels and 350nm torque. I'm willing to bet over a 400m stretch, the Golf 6 is going to be in front.
Why would you detune a GTI?
Slowboat wrote:I wish it was 0.3-0.5sec on my car.Stu wrote:what does each gear change on a manual car cost on a 1/4m maybe 0.3-0.5 of a Sec of which most cars do around 3 changes
The G-Tech readings from my manual Golf 5 GTI with the GT2860RS turbo on at that time at Tarlton a few years back. Lost over 2 seconds of power in the three gear changes during the 1/4mile run.
Its not just how fast you can change gears, it is also how fast the power comes back after the gear change.