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Good day gents, Hope all is well. I have been off the forum after almost 10 years!!!. Stiil got the CTi though. Life happened, marriage/kids/houses/self employed. Time just ran away from me....
The Cti was parked off for all that time, now its back on the road. A few issues with it at the moment, nothing major.
As mentioned before, 10 years! :eek:
Took me about 6 months to get it back on the road (With the help of my 7 year old!!).Changed all the wheel bearings,cv's,fluids,water pump,full service,brake pads,linings,ball joints,rack ends,tie rod ends,shock mountings,shortened shocks,radiator flushed,etc.... and a whole lot more...

Car is stock standard, except for a bosal 4-2-1 branch,KNN filter, stainless steel exhaust. Car is lowered with Jamex springs -( 60/40 - When they were still in SA)

The issues i have at the moment are as follows:
1: The cold start function is not operational. You have to either let it idle at about 750rpm till it gets warm, or hold the revs at about 1100rpm for a quicker warm up. When you rev it when its cold,it just dies on you..
Any ideas on where to start looking for the problem???

2: The idle fluctuates when at a robot, stop, sitting in traffic. Give a slight tap of the gas pedal, it gets better. Seems like when the fan kicks in, the idle gets better????
Seems like a vacuum leak?? I have checked where i could, tightened all clamps etc..
How else can i sort this out??

3: Because i havnt driven it for 10 years, the ride seems very bouncy. I do have Gabriel shortened shocks with brand new OEM shock mounts. Suspect the springs may have lost its tension??
I am going to fit extended shock mounts.. Will this make a difference??
Thinking of also going with coilovers?? What is the best brand?

4: The brakes seem terrible to me - (Driving newer cars, bakkies with all the braking bells and whistles)
I have got a set of caliper adaptors for the brake upgrade with 280mm discs. Unfortunately cannot fit them at the moment because of the standard CTi rims. Looking for a set of 15 inch velocity rims. I will try them then.
Will this upgrade work with those rims and will the braking be better?

Guys this was my first car that i bought. Lots of sentimental value to me. Want to keep it for as long as possible.
It has now become my sons car, as he simply loves the Golf :driving:
Its not my daily ride, but i like to keep everything in tip top condition..

Any help and advice will be highly appreciated. I will always be a MK1 fanatic... :driving:
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Good Day gents. I do understand that there are not many golfs still running K-jet system due to their problems associated with ager and lack of spares.

I did find the idle problem on my car. The sensor plate and spring mechanism was dirty and sticky. Cleaned up with carb cleaner and it seems to be better now.

There is a break in the cold start circuit which i will find eventually :bang:

I am trying to find a decent set of Velo rims here in PMB to do the brake upgrade. But the guys are ridiculous with their pricing for the rims. I will just be patient with this one.
I did have a set of Aline 17's on the car before, but to find a good second hand rim with the right offset is a bit difficult..
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Have you flushed the brake fluid at all during the work you initially did?

280mm will definitely improve the brakes but that might be overkill on a stock 1800. I've always upgraded my Citi's and even my MK1 2 door to the 256mm setup from the MK3. You can gt away with 14' rims, depending on the rim.

15" would be a good upgrade on the car though. I agree with you, the prices people are asking for Citi stuff has gone a bit made recently.
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Need some advice with regards to the drop on the Cti.

As mentioned previously, i do have Jamex springs on the vehicle, but they are about 15 years old. The car sits nice and evenly back and front. The vehicle was parked of for about 10 years!!
Before getting it back on the road, i changed the shock mounts to OEM -(From Goldwagen), ball joints, tie rod ends, rack ends.etc. Replaced the old Gabriel shortened shocks with new ones.

The ride is extremely bouncy and hard as compared to before?? You feel every bump in the road. - (The roads are pathetic as compared to 10 years ago) The steering is very hard to turn when parking. I just noticed the other day that the passenger shock mount has collapsed. The other mount is okay for now. I have a top and bottom strut brace on the car as well.

Any advice with this, will be highly appreciated as i am going to change the rims to either 15's or 17's
My thoughts on this is the spring has lost its tension over the years????

I am thinking about changing the springs to a set of Eibach - (But they apparently only come in 35/40mm drop and are quiet pricy)
Also heard that H&R are also good, but pricy as well
Other option is to save up and put a set of coilovers, with extended shock mounts (which i will make up myself)
Is this a better option?
What brands are suggested and reputable?

Any help in this regard will be highty appreciated.
I am based in PMB, so if anyone is in my area with a MK1 with coilovers or a decent spring,let me know.. :hi:
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I ran 40mm Eibach's with matched shocks ( Gabriel Gas Rider L) for years before I sold the car. At the time they weren't too expensive but that was a loooong time ago. They were very comfortable to drive with and the ride height also looked very good.
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Another pmb member,welcome.

I personally wouldn't go 17s if you lowered.Steering will be worse and will probably touch over bumps.Budget coilovers are ok depending on how low you go,most of my friends are slammed and are bouncy as hell.
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Greenz wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:56 am Another pmb member,welcome.

I personally wouldn't go 17s if you lowered.Steering will be worse and will probably touch over bumps.Budget coilovers are ok depending on how low you go,most of my friends are slammed and are bouncy as hell.
Hi, Dont want that slammed to the floor look/lowrider/stance look. Just like to have a decent drop that looks nice and is a bit more comfortable than what i have at the moment..
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Good Day gents, Hope all is well in these trying times?....
I have sorted out all the problems that i have mentioned in my previous posts. Still looking for a K-Jet specialist in KZN though??

I'm now down to the ride height. As mentioned previously. i have got a set of Jamex springs which i fitted onto the car in 1998...

I stuck between getting a set of coil overs or a good set of springs. I already have a set of brand new Gabriel shortened shocks up front, and a new set of shocks at the back..
I have been pricing Eibach and H&R springs. YOU!! They are damn expensive. For a few rands more, you can get a set of coilovers..

My dilemma is the following:
- Do i get the springs only, considering i have the new shocks, bumpstops, mountings etc
- Do i get the coilovers for the extra rands

Will there much difference in the ride quality as i'm so over the bouncy ride i'm getting now. On the freeway,its fine, but the local roads are where its terrible......

Some advice and guidance will be highly appreciated..
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You say you aren't after extreme lows and want a good ride.I would go for springs.Budget coilovers give a bouncy ride the lower you go.(in my experience).
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Morning.

I have decided to go with the springs only option..

Now i cannot decide between the Eibach pro kit or the H&R set of springs.

Any suggestions or advice out there guys??
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FISHY wrote:Morning.

I have decided to go with the springs only option..

Now i cannot decide between the Eibach pro kit or the H&R set of springs.

Any suggestions or advice out there guys??
H&R.

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Please post updates & pictures as you move along with the project , Would love to see
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Howzit Bud,

A buddy of mine recently fitted NED Coilovers on his citi rox and the car drives quite comfortably. He isn't slammed either. Seems like it's a good budget coilover. I think they are around 3 to 4k. Considering you will be fitting extended mounts, it may be even better.

I did the brake upgrade on my Cti and then moved it over to my Life - it makes a huge and noticeable difference. With the velo wheel's, there isn't much clearance though. I doubt it would work with the CTI Wheel. As for the prices on citi parts, it is getting ridiculous. I paid 2k for a set of velos a few years ago, I can't believe the prices thesedays.

If you do find a set in Durban and need it brought up to PMB, let me know. I work here in PMB and travel daily, so I can help if you need. :hi:
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AvesshenG wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:58 am Please post updates & pictures as you move along with the project , Would love to see
Howzit..

I will love to, but dont know how too.. I have tried.... :bang:
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Tashveer wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:15 am Howzit Bud,

A buddy of mine recently fitted NED Coilovers on his citi rox and the car drives quite comfortably. He isn't slammed either. Seems like it's a good budget coilover. I think they are around 3 to 4k. Considering you will be fitting extended mounts, it may be even better.

I did the brake upgrade on my Cti and then moved it over to my Life - it makes a huge and noticeable difference. With the velo wheel's, there isn't much clearance though. I doubt it would work with the CTI Wheel. As for the prices on citi parts, it is getting ridiculous. I paid 2k for a set of velos a few years ago, I can't believe the prices thesedays.

If you do find a set in Durban and need it brought up to PMB, let me know. I work here in PMB and travel daily, so I can help if you need. :hi:
Howzit. I have not sat in a Mk1 with coilovers or Eibach/H&R springs. I will love too, just too see the difference in the ride quality..
The brake upgrade is a must for me at the moment. Thats one of reasons i want the velo wheel, because the upgraded discs with the standard calipers sit perfectly inside the rim.
I have seen a lot of velos advertised in the Durban area, but just dont have the time to go and have a look at them. And the prices nowdays are madness....
I will definitely let you know. If you dont mind, PM me your number, so that i can stay in touch via watts app.
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FISHY wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:50 pm
AvesshenG wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:58 am Please post updates & pictures as you move along with the project , Would love to see
Howzit..

I will love to, but dont know how too.. I have tried.... :bang:
If you dont mind, pm me your number so that i can send you pics via watts app.
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EX-DOHCTOR wrote:Have you flushed the brake fluid at all during the work you initially did?

280mm will definitely improve the brakes but that might be overkill on a stock 1800. I've always upgraded my Citi's and even my MK1 2 door to the 256mm setup from the MK3. You can gt away with 14' rims, depending on the rim.

15" would be a good upgrade on the car though. I agree with you, the prices people are asking for Citi stuff has gone a bit made recently.
I also did 256 and it works a charm….. if you get to enthusiastic it will even lock up, think 280 is a bit much also…


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Good Day guys. All the best for the New Year. Hope its a better one for all.

I got an absolutely clean set of velos with tyres. When i mean clean, the interior of rim was still white. Not a scratch or mark on them. Tyres about 70% life. I guess patients pay off!!!
I then fitted the 280mm brake upgrade kit. It makes a difference, but need to wear them in properly - (Only did about 50 kms since fitted)

My next question is about the Velo springs and ride height.. I have noticed that Velos sit lower that the older Mk1 generations, without any drop springs or coilovers. Is it just me, or are they lower, standard?? I seen a few that look awesome with the standard velo rim...

if it is the case, then i wouldn't mind getting a set of velo springs and fit them with my shortened Gabriel shocks.

Has anybody have any input/advise?
Did something similar..
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I think the Velos have like a 20/25mm drop standard if I am not mistaken.
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EX-DOHCTOR wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:27 pm I think the Velos have like a 20/25mm drop standard if I am not mistaken.
Thank you for that. Am going to do a bit more research on this..
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I also want to get a 276 cam for the car.
I see *** have a special with the cam and lifters at the moment. Its going for R 2095.00 with delivery. I think thats a good deal?
I already have a vernier pulley.
Anybody else using ***?
Im based in Pietermaritzburg and am looking for someone reliable and trustworthy to do the fitting and tuning it properly. Any recommendations please??
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FISHY wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:19 am I also want to get a 276 cam for the car.
I see *** have a special with the cam and lifters at the moment. Its going for R 2095.00 with delivery. I think thats a good deal?
I already have a vernier pulley.
Anybody else using ***?
Im based in Pietermaritzburg and am looking for someone reliable and trustworthy to do the fitting and tuning it properly. Any recommendations please??
*** doesn't have a good reputation here.Not sure if the quality of their stuff has changed but estas is prefered.DnS cam fit the cam for you.
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EX-DOHCTOR wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:27 pm I think the Velos have like a 20/25mm drop standard if I am not mistaken.
Thank you for that. Am going to do a bit more research on this..
The Velocity has a different shock that's shorter than stock, it's made by Gabriel.

Part number is L55833.
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missioner wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:16 am
FISHY wrote:
EX-DOHCTOR wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:27 pm I think the Velos have like a 20/25mm drop standard if I am not mistaken.
Thank you for that. Am going to do a bit more research on this..
The Velocity has a different shock that's shorter than stock, it's made by Gabriel.

Part number is L55833.
Howzit... I think that i already got those shocks. They are the Gabriel shortened shocks.. Will check this weekend.
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FISHY wrote:
missioner wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:16 am
FISHY wrote:
EX-DOHCTOR wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:27 pm I think the Velos have like a 20/25mm drop standard if I am not mistaken.
Thank you for that. Am going to do a bit more research on this..
The Velocity has a different shock that's shorter than stock, it's made by Gabriel.

Part number is L55833.
Howzit... I think that i already got those shocks. They are the Gabriel shortened shocks.. Will check this weekend.
If this is the case, then source a decent lowering spring and stance is sorted.

Anything shorter than a -40mm induces bump steer and make s the car less predictable to drive. Also it would require other mods like camber plates and stuff to get the alignment right if the car is any lower.

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