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Hi guys. Any one tried or know of co2 or any other gas or liquid cooled induction? Same principle as charge coolers but with less restriction. I mean like super cool air... Please share if you did and posible performance gains and costs involved and if it would be worth while?
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Dub rox wrote:Hi guys. Any one tried or know of co2 or any other gas or liquid cooled induction? Same principle as charge coolers but with less restriction. I mean like super cool air... Please share if you did and posible performance gains and costs involved and if it would be worth while?
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Dub rox wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:02 pm
Dub rox wrote:Hi guys. Any one tried or know of co2 or any other gas or liquid cooled induction? Same principle as charge coolers but with less restriction. I mean like super cool air... Please share if you did and posible performance gains and costs involved and if it would be worth while?
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WMI, much simpler and works
Current:

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2003 Audi A3 1.8t, Thanas Tuned, FMIC, coilies, DP and exhaust
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Cost vs gains - not worth it.
Weight of all the bits needed - not worth the gains.

As chucker said, WMI will be way easier, simpler, cheaper and it works.
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chucker02 wrote:WMI, much simpler and works
Please define WMI for dummies????

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Water Methanol Injection
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2006 Citi Golf 2E, Dictator, 4-2-1

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2003 Audi A3 1.8t, Thanas Tuned, FMIC, coilies, DP and exhaust
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chucker02 wrote:Water Methanol Injection
Ahhhh. Does'nt this need much sodimication though? What are the costs involved vs power gains? What i am trying to prove is gains on the ultimate intake system be it on na or blown engines, wich we all know show better gains than na with most modification, and if it is at all possible to gain say for argument sake like +- 15 wkw with this. Even if under the hood it looks like a flea market in december.......

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Go read the link I posted......

You will prove nothing really. It has all been done and proven millions of times before on all sorts of motors. Diesel, naturally aspirated, forced induction, two stroke, rotary, etc.
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Jetta2 wrote:Water Methanol Injection.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to ... injection/
Some verry interisting and helpfull reading. Thanx

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Jetta2 wrote:Go read the link I posted......

You will prove nothing really. It has all been done and proven millions of times before on all sorts of motors. Diesel, naturally aspirated, forced induction, two stroke, rotary, etc.
Just so we can not say the dino opperator smoked electric before the run Image

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Slightly off topic. Years ago i worked for a mechanic in Montague Gardens who also raced a Datsun SSS. He had a cooler box in his trunk with a length of metal tubing wound in a spiral inside the cooler box, which was connected to his fuel lines. This was packed with dry ice before the race. Reason for this was to chill the fuel as it entered the intake.

Besides this what he also did was to take the window washer bottle, filled that with ice water, the tube leading from that was attached to a simple rail that placed over the intake mani. The intake mani itself was covered with exhaust wrap. So all this work resulted in colder fuel and colder air intake going into the engine. This shaved about a second off from his lap time.

So i guess it all depends on what the situation is.
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Gummi wrote:Slightly off topic. Years ago i worked for a mechanic in Montague Gardens who also raced a Datsun SSS. He had a cooler box in his trunk with a length of metal tubing wound in a spiral inside the cooler box, which was connected to his fuel lines. This was packed with dry ice before the race. Reason for this was to chill the fuel as it entered the intake.

Besides this what he also did was to take the window washer bottle, filled that with ice water, the tube leading from that was attached to a simple rail that placed over the intake mani. The intake mani itself was covered with exhaust wrap. So all this work resulted in colder fuel and colder air intake going into the engine. This shaved about a second off from his lap time.

So i guess it all depends on what the situation is.
That and the size of your wallet Image and how far your willing to go for that extra second or so....

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hope someone can help.

where can I get an airbox for my 45mm itb on n cross flow mk1 citi golf pls. cost and so on . thanx in advance
2e cross flow itb 45mm 2.1 and u name it.
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DCM wrote:hope someone can help.

where can I get an airbox for my 45mm itb on n cross flow mk1 citi golf pls. cost and so on . thanx in advance
What itb's do you have on there?

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DCM wrote:hope someone can help.

where can I get an airbox for my 45mm itb on n cross flow mk1 citi golf pls. cost and so on . thanx in advance
What itb's do you have on there?

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DCM wrote:hope someone can help.

where can I get an airbox for my 45mm itb on n cross flow mk1 citi golf pls. cost and so on . thanx in advance
What itb's do you have on there?

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sorry guys still trying to find my way around the forum.

I have ramtubes on pls don't ask what length otherwise I must go measure. I've had sponge filters over them since I got the motor. took them off in winter and noticed the one going over the alternator was longer than the other 3
2e cross flow itb 45mm 2.1 and u name it.
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DCM wrote:sorry guys still trying to find my way around the forum.

I have ramtubes on pls don't ask what length otherwise I must go measure. I've had sponge filters over them since I got the motor. took them off in winter and noticed the one going over the alternator was longer than the other 3
They should all be the same length otherwise they will perform different. Remember that whatever airbox you fit will have to acomodate the lips on the ram tubes as that is the area where most of the intake air is soarced. You could look up some designs on the interweb and get it manufactured or diy.

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Dub rox wrote:
DCM wrote:sorry guys still trying to find my way around the forum.

I have ramtubes on pls don't ask what length otherwise I must go measure. I've had sponge filters over them since I got the motor. took them off in winter and noticed the one going over the alternator was longer than the other 3
They should all be the same length otherwise they will perform different. Remember that whatever airbox you fit will have to acomodate the lips on the ram tubes as that is the area where most of the intake air is soarced. You could look up some designs on the interweb and get it manufactured or diy.

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thanx guys

looks like I'm going to have to get 3 longer ones to match the other long one. thought an airbox would sort that out
2e cross flow itb 45mm 2.1 and u name it.
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