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panic-mechanic wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:49 am I most definitely under charge that is for damn sure. R1250 for a full tune.
They must have a monopoly there because Even at what I charge people have said it's too much.
Time to revisit the rates I guess.
For that kind of money I could have fetched it and tuned it. Wow
I think mon2fri need to get box tested and then install and make an appointment with you, panic to get this running and tuned.
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panic-mechanic wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:49 am I most definitely under charge that is for damn sure. R1250 for a full tune.
They must have a monopoly there because Even at what I charge people have said it's too much.
Time to revisit the rates I guess.
For that kind of money I could have fetched it and tuned it. Wow
they`re the only outlet recognized by dicktator in polokwane others are just fitting and you wont have a grantee that you`ll come alryt as they are not registered.

so far i have learned a lot about the system it self soon ill be knowing how to fix the box.
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mon2fri wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:35 am
panic-mechanic wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:49 am I most definitely under charge that is for damn sure. R1250 for a full tune.
They must have a monopoly there because Even at what I charge people have said it's too much.
Time to revisit the rates I guess.
For that kind of money I could have fetched it and tuned it. Wow
they`re the only outlet recognized by dicktator in polokwane others are just fitting and you wont have a grantee that you`ll come alryt as they are not registered.

so far i have learned a lot about the system it self soon ill be knowing how to fix the box.
Keep going and learn more. One of these days youbwill be able to start.

How is the testing of box going? Any news?
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still waiting.
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Any updates?
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Yesterday i tried to have a second check b4 taking the box for repairs,
1. Made sure that i screw in the crank sensor till its tight
2. Changed the battery
3.bought new plugs and plug leads
Crank the car with the settings u gave me its wanna catch but yet again no luck, tried changing the trigger angle setting 2% down every try from 67 to 35 but again no luck.
Im just waiting to receive the new box and check if ill be having same problems if yes then ill be knowing that its not the box but im missing sumthing
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mon2fri wrote: Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:18 pm Yesterday i tried to have a second check b4 taking the box for repairs,
1. Made sure that i screw in the crank sensor till its tight
2. Changed the battery
3.bought new plugs and plug leads
Crank the car with the settings u gave me its wanna catch but yet again no luck, tried changing the trigger angle setting 2% down every try from 67 to 35 but again no luck.
Im just waiting to receive the new box and check if ill be having same problems if yes then ill be knowing that its not the box but im missing sumthing
Did you see rpm and yellow and green lights flicker on ecu when you tried to start?
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The main thing is you need to see rpm in the box. Most engines crank around 200 rpm. If you don't see that you can ignore anything else. It will never run without that.
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It has rpm now ill send a video of that. Its around that figure of 179 to +- 200 so ill make sure to send the video
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so today the new box arrived :hurray: and i hooked it up, and uploaded the settings Joe gave me. :yawn:

the happiness was short lived when i put the car on,
1. no rpm
2. no spark
3. swing the car and noting happened.

when i turn the key on and off sum-times the rpm reading appearers but when i swing the car it doesn't read .

now i dunno what to do.

put the old box back
1. spark is there
2. rpm is there
3. swing the car and it nearly catches but not.

now i wanna replace the crankshaft sensor i`ve been convinced that it may still be working but i was wrong.
and again i wanna replace the TP 100 module and all will be new and give it a try again :bang: :bang:
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Argh no man....

Tell me now, New ecu and old old has the same map loaded, same wiring and the same rpm sensor in the block.

Old ecu nearly catches start and new one not? Is the maps the same map on both?

Gone the full cycle now as you have new wiring and ecu installed and still same non start condition.

As panic said, you need constant rpm reading or you can forget to start at all.

Can you confirm on your data page that the green bar stay green and battery voltage is above 12v during cranking?
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Ok if you have rpm and you have spark then it's a case of just playing with the fuel values to make it start.
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PapaJo wrote: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:27 pm Argh no man....

Tell me now, New ecu and old old has the same map loaded, same wiring and the same rpm sensor in the block.

Old ecu nearly catches start and new one not? Is the maps the same map on both?

Gone the full cycle now as you have new wiring and ecu installed and still same non start condition.

As panic said, you need constant rpm reading or you can forget to start at all.

Can you confirm on your data page that the green bar stay green and battery voltage is above 12v during cranking?
i can confirm that the data page is green and the battery voltage shows 12.44 when cranking
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Have you tried changing the "Home position edge" from default "rising" to falling? This will change the ignition home position 24 degrees on a 60-2 setup.
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Not yet ill try to do that.
But 1st my two boxes doesn't read rpm when i connect the crank sensor no3 pin on the shielded grey wire it needs me to earth it on the engine block b4 it can read the rpm
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Doesn't matter how you get rpm. Without rpm nothing else will happen. Connecting to engine will most likely cause some reading instability due to ground loops but if that makes the car run then so be it.
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Are you sure you sensor plug wiring is the correct way connected and 1 and 3 is not swapped around?
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1 is red
2 is white
3 is the one that is on the engine block
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mon2fri wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:35 am 1 is red
2 is white
3 is the one that is on the engine block
With regards to the cable coming from the ecu plug for the trigger sensor, that is a shielded cable with the red and white wires inside. I have connected pin 3 to the shield of this wire and it does not cause any interference or rpm signal loss. Why are you connecting pin 3 to engine block? Do you have engine block earthed to ecu?
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Look again at this picture

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If you need to earth pin 3 on the engine to get RPM, then your ecu earth wires are not terminated at the correct place. Thick black is connected on the battery negative terminal.

The thin black wires is only to be connected to the tps (one thin black wire, if used) and the temperature sensors that have two pins. Don’t earth the thin black wires on the engine block. If the temperature sensors are single pin type, use only the color coded wire to connect to the sensor.

The TP100 engine earth is connected to the engine block.
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yes papajo, i did just that.
ive connected them as illustrated on the sheet
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PapaJo wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:43 pm
mon2fri wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:35 am 1 is red
2 is white
3 is the one that is on the engine block
With regards to the cable coming from the ecu plug for the trigger sensor, that is a shielded cable with the red and white wires inside. I have connected pin 3 to the shield of this wire and it does not cause any interference or rpm signal loss. Why are you connecting pin 3 to engine block? Do you have engine block earthed to ecu?
ive now retured the pin 3 wire to the cranck sensor back to that wire from the ecu.
when u say have i earthed the ecu, yes i did with that thick black goin to the battery negative.
and im getting rpm but it doesnt catch
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Ok now you have rpm, but motor does still not catch. Next do a short video of the data page during crank to see what is the rpm, timing and fuel indicated.
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The Rpm is between 170 and 257
Timing is 10 then shifts to 11
Fuel is +-5.374.

I have even tried shifting the home position to falling but did not work.
Might it be the engine?
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mon2fri wrote: Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:11 am The Rpm is between 170 and 257
Timing is 10 then shifts to 11
Fuel is +-5.374.

I have even tried shifting the home position to falling but did not work.
Might it be the engine?
Rpm is fine during cranking.
Timing is fine - you can reduce timing to around 5 degrees in the 250 and 750 rows as it might aid in starting.

Fuel is very high and you might be flooding the plugs. Is this with throttle fully closed? Fuel should be in the 1.8 to 2.3 values on cranking, but it depends on the vacuum if MAP selection as the vacuum will shift in the corresponding column or % throttle open if selected for TPS.

Upload a short video of the fuel page during cranking to visualise what is happening on the fuel map during cranking.

Are you on TPS or MAP?
If MAP, did you connect the vacuum line to intake manifold? If TPS, did you perform a TPS calibration on ecu?

Did you check that there is spark on the plugs now while cranking and that you do get fuel into the motor? Is sparkplugs wet with fuel?

To your last question about the engine..that I cannot answer on. You will need to check timing marks and do a compression test to verify that all is good.
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