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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Sat May 19, 2018 2:26 pm

blou_poot wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 1:54 pm
Not yet... Still waiting on alternator.

Fitted branch today and water pipes etc... Will load video once started.

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Ak, ok. That waiting time is used to get the rest done. Post sone mire pictures as you go along with the install.
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by blou_poot » Sat May 19, 2018 5:09 pm

Will do.

Havent taken much pictures during the conversion.

Need to still make a short shift kit.

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Sat May 19, 2018 7:32 pm

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Sat May 19, 2018 5:09 pm
Will do.

Havent taken much pictures during the conversion.

Need to still make a short shift kit.

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Get car running first and then make a short shift kit.

Did the alternator arrive?
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by blou_poot » Sat May 19, 2018 7:37 pm

Nope stuck at customs... Will be here only Monday.

They had issue with yhe price being 100rand...

My thoughts exactly... Main mission is to start the engine.

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Sat May 19, 2018 8:11 pm

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Nope stuck at customs... Will be here only Monday.

They had issue with yhe price being 100rand...

My thoughts exactly... Main mission is to start the engine.

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Post by blou_poot » Sat May 19, 2018 8:13 pm

Invoice was needed in order to get the part through customs... No one wanted to bring along the alternator... So had to courier.

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Sat May 19, 2018 10:49 pm

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Sat May 19, 2018 8:13 pm
Invoice was needed in order to get the part through customs... No one wanted to bring along the alternator... So had to courier.

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Ok, understood. Invoice to prove it was given to you plus courier cost.
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Tue May 22, 2018 2:10 pm

Update please???

Did alternator find its way into the engine bay?
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by blou_poot » Tue May 22, 2018 2:21 pm

Alternator got delivered only Yesterday.

Have not had the time to check as yet.

Will defo do it tonight... As car needs to start before the weekend.... Lol

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Tue May 22, 2018 2:26 pm

blou_poot wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:21 pm
Alternator got delivered only Yesterday.

Have not had the time to check as yet.

Will defo do it tonight... As car needs to start before the weekend.... Lol

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Post by blou_poot » Tue May 22, 2018 2:28 pm

Yip...

Need to book dyno next week, however the car needs to start first.

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Fri May 25, 2018 9:33 pm

Any updates?
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by blou_poot » Sat May 26, 2018 12:08 pm

Alternators dont fit. Will need to modify and see if i find a belt.



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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by 162life-WP » Sat May 26, 2018 12:53 pm

Hi blou pot. I'm in the process of finishing my 9a mk1 conversion. Actually busy doing the exhaust now. I bought the same engine on the same special at Mike's. After returning the 1st engine (came with bent valves) I'm now at the point where I'm struggling with the dizzy/booster bottle issue. What I can tell u from experience right now is that whether u run throttle or standard setup, u will have to modify ur alternator bracket or change the alternator entirely as Mike's removes the a/c pump which allows the alti to work. I've done most of the work myself with the help of some good mates and I can tell u that whatever ur budget is rn, double it and add a bit extra and u will have a stock motor working in ur mk1.

To all the other guys who have done this mod before, could u PLEASE advise how I can over come the dizzy/bottle issue please??
I have std dicktator and have found a complete abf dizzy at Mike's for R1k which still has to be modified in order to work on my setup.at this point I really don't want to buy the abf dizzy and nobody seems to have the Peugeot 207 16v dizzy cap. My options are to change the complete brake booster with mc and reservoir. If anyone could suggest which booster setup would work or alternatives I could use as a dizzy cap, I would be forever grateful as I have spent lots of time(1month) n money getting to this point n all I really want to do is drive my car 😔
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by blou_poot » Sat May 26, 2018 3:25 pm

@WP the booster ou can add a few shims/washers to yhe left side of the booster where it ties down. Should give you some space to work on.

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Sat May 26, 2018 6:32 pm

There is a few options to cure the dissy cap problem.

1. Extend the two pipes that fit in the rubber seals.
2. Search for a mk3 brake fluid bottle as the plastic pioes at the bottom is offset.
3. Booster delete.
4. Apart from the Peugeot 207 16v cap, find an Uno cap or FIAT 9936027 9938272 9938359 9944630 9944668 9947326 9950519. Type Distributor Cap. Function Distributor Cap. ALFA ROMEO 9950051 9950519. FIAT CROMA ... or the Renault 5 EP179 cap. NOTE when using the Renault cap, you need to do some modifications by cutting the rotor shaft and bottom of the rotor +_ 3-4mm shorter to be able to use the Renault cap. AC just did this on their 16V dissy
5. Buy ABF dissy and cap.

For some strange reason I have clearance between dissy cap and brake fluid bottle on my KR 16V with Bosch dissy and cap. Could be that motor is a bit more to the right or just because I have the Velocity dash installed with the Velocity brake booster and arm. I also have a full set of 4 poly enigine and gearbox mounts installed from GW Delarey.
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by 162life-WP » Sat May 26, 2018 6:43 pm

Thanx so much guys will try one or two of those options. I have completely built this car on information found on this forum and so far so good lol

Exhaust sounds so sweet, and I drove the car for the 1st time today.... All I can say is, all the late nights and sweat n tears was absolutely worth it. Many MANY thanks to every experienced user and their intellectual knowledge supplied on this forum. God bless u guys for ur help!
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Sat May 26, 2018 8:52 pm

162life-WP wrote:
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Thanx so much guys will try one or two of those options. I have completely built this car on information found on this forum and so far so good lol

Exhaust sounds so sweet, and I drove the car for the 1st time today.... All I can say is, all the late nights and sweat n tears was absolutely worth it. Many MANY thanks to every experienced user and their intellectual knowledge supplied on this forum. God bless u guys for ur help!
Cool. Start a rides thread now and post some pictures.
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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by blou_poot » Mon May 28, 2018 9:39 am

162life-WP wrote:Hi blou pot. I'm in the process of finishing my 9a mk1 conversion. Actually busy doing the exhaust now. I bought the same engine on the same special at Mike's. After returning the 1st engine (came with bent valves) I'm now at the point where I'm struggling with the dizzy/booster bottle issue. What I can tell u from experience right now is that whether u run throttle or standard setup, u will have to modify ur alternator bracket or change the alternator entirely as Mike's removes the a/c pump which allows the alti to work. I've done most of the work myself with the help of some good mates and I can tell u that whatever ur budget is rn, double it and add a bit extra and u will have a stock motor working in ur mk1.

To all the other guys who have done this mod before, could u PLEASE advise how I can over come the dizzy/bottle issue please??
I have std dicktator and have found a complete abf dizzy at Mike's for R1k which still has to be modified in order to work on my setup.at this point I really don't want to buy the abf dizzy and nobody seems to have the Peugeot 207 16v dizzy cap. My options are to change the complete brake booster with mc and reservoir. If anyone could suggest which booster setup would work or alternatives I could use as a dizzy cap, I would be forever grateful as I have spent lots of time(1month) n money getting to this point n all I really want to do is drive my car Image
Any idea on how you solved the alternator issue?

I believe i need to cut the aircon bracket to fit the alternator. Or alterntaively cut the alternator bracket on top to move it down somehow.

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by missioner » Mon May 28, 2018 12:04 pm

Is there no other bracket under the aircon bracket?

If all else fails, get a universal alternator, like PapaJo did and swop over the pulley from the original alternator. Mount the alternator downward toward the water pump. It should clear the inlet manifold, but you may need to trim the alternator to get it to miss the radiator.
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Post by blou_poot » Mon May 28, 2018 1:11 pm

Bracjet looks like this, however alterbatir wont fit.

Will try and fit my agg bracket hopefully that will clear.

If all else fails i will mod the existing bracket and find a suitable belt.Image

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by PapaJo » Mon May 28, 2018 8:43 pm

Check here what I did with an universal alternator. You have the water pump pulley and crank v belt pulleys as reference and work from there to measure out for correct spacing to line up.


Check this page of mine and few pages further on.
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Post by blou_poot » Mon May 28, 2018 9:10 pm

8v bracket could work with a lil modification.

As there would be two mounting places.

Will have a look at your thread, not sure if we will find an alternator here.Image

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

Post by blou_poot » Mon May 28, 2018 9:13 pm

PapaJo,

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Re: 9a and pl mk1 conversion possible

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PapaJo,

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That’s strange.

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Ended up insering a 4 mm washer between the front bracket and aircon bracket. Had to shave about 2 mm on the inside of the rear bracket to move alternator forward.
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Cut the aircon bracket in half and twisted bottom short part a bit to be able to have the sliding hole open.
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6mm Spacer inserted on adjuster bracket
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Done
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NOTE: This alternator is sitting far forward and had to reposition radiator for clearance.
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