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Nope will be standard for now... Just thought its better running tps on NA cars.

For now im waiting on pricing from Sportcam will be fitting cams for now. And eill send head later on to 8v performance

Will need to see what version of the 9a it comes with.

Pulled the 8v today so hopefully getting engine here early next week. Will prep engine bay lo long.

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What duration cams are you planning to use now? Larger duration cams work better with a port and flow job to take full advantage of the larger durations cams.
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268/276

I know port and flow should greatly help.

But please advise if i should get that done when getting the cams.

Are the 16v not so happy with just a cam?

I had a noticible difference before i did my 8v by just adding a 276?

Additionally would a abf intake also be a bit of a better option?

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blou_poot wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 10:45 pm 268/276

I know port and flow should greatly help.

But please advise if i should get that done when getting the cams.

Are the 16v not so happy with just a cam?

I had a noticible difference before i did my 8v by just adding a 276?

Additionally would a abf intake also be a bit of a better option?

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Cams always give extra grunt. Full potential is used with a flow job, but you can run cams on std ports for starters. The same applies to 16V as to 8V motors and with larger duration cams, you will lose some power lower down and peak power shifts up in the power band range.

Changing to an ABF intake will have a marginal increase. There were debates about this on many forums before. In my opinion you will benefit more with a port match and flow.
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blou_poot wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 10:45 pm 268/276

I know port and flow should greatly help.

But please advise if i should get that done when getting the cams.

Are the 16v not so happy with just a cam?

I had a noticible difference before i did my 8v by just adding a 276?

Additionally would a abf intake also be a bit of a better option?

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Cams always give extra grunt. Full potential is used with a flow job, but you can run cams on std ports for starters. The same applies to 16V as to 8V motors and with larger duration cams, you will lose some power lower down and peak power shifts up in the power band range.

Changing to an ABF intake will have a marginal increase. There were debates about this on many forums before. In my opinion you will benefit more with a port match and flow.
Noted. Will try and do both at once.

Will enjoy a standard motor for now... Lol

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You are already addicted to a lumpy cam idle. No cure for that....lol
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Probably... But will be looking at making the car look good again... Respray, new interior, coilovers etc...

That's the plans for the next few months.

For now the standard motor should do with a dyno... Hoping i get the same time or a lil less on the 1/4 mile.

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Hi Wizards of the VW,

Just wanted to find out the following:

In terms of turboing the 9a are the following assumptions correct?

* getting a agg/2e/ady bottom end will get me close to or the right comp ratio using the 16v head? Or can i use double gaskets or a spacer on the 9a block and calculate compression?

* Can i run the motor on dicktator STD.

* If i port and flow for N/A with cams will the head be unusable for turbo later on? I believe turbo port and flow would differ from N/A.

* Do i need to change pistons to 8v (2e/agg/ady) ones? If so, what else will need to be changed?





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Use a 2e or agg bottom end and pocket pistons on inlet valve side of pistons and you are good to go and right compression ratio fir turbo charging.

Turbo charging the 9a motor will require low compression pistons to drop from 10,2 to around 9:1 compression. You cannot use 2e pistons as they have a lower compression height piston and pin size is 21mm and 9a is 20 mm. I don’t like or recommend double kayer gaskets to drop compression as it will fail in due course.

Yes you can use Dicktator std on turbo motor. Need to use MAP and not TPS setting in ecu.
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The 9a is short block 220 mm and 2e/agg and ABF blocks are tall block 236 mm block height.
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blou_poot wrote: Mon May 07, 2018 11:29 am Hi Wizards of the VW,

Just wanted to find out the following:

In terms of turboing the 9a are the following assumptions correct?

* getting a agg/2e/ady bottom end will get me close to or the right comp ratio using the 16v head? Or can i use double gaskets or a spacer on the 9a block and calculate compression?

* Can i run the motor on dicktator STD.

* If i port and flow for N/A with cams will the head be unusable for turbo later on? I believe turbo port and flow would differ from N/A.

* Do i need to change pistons to 8v (2e/agg/ady) ones? If so, what else will need to be changed?


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Easiest mod for turbo option on a 9a is to use 2.5/2.6 83mm kombi pistons and have them machined for valve clearance and oil squirter clearance at the bottom. This will be a direct fit.
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blou_poot wrote: Mon May 07, 2018 11:29 am Hi Wizards of the VW,

Just wanted to find out the following:

In terms of turboing the 9a are the following assumptions correct?

* getting a agg/2e/ady bottom end will get me close to or the right comp ratio using the 16v head? Or can i use double gaskets or a spacer on the 9a block and calculate compression?

* Can i run the motor on dicktator STD.

* If i port and flow for N/A with cams will the head be unusable for turbo later on? I believe turbo port and flow would differ from N/A.

* Do i need to change pistons to 8v (2e/agg/ady) ones? If so, what else will need to be changed?


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Easiest mod for turbo option on a 9a is to use 2.5/2.6 83mm kombi pistons and have them machined for valve clearance and oil squirter clearance at the bottom. This will be a direct fit.
Great what will compression be?

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blou_poot wrote: Mon May 07, 2018 8:34 pm
Donavan wrote:
blou_poot wrote: Mon May 07, 2018 11:29 am Hi Wizards of the VW,

Just wanted to find out the following:

In terms of turboing the 9a are the following assumptions correct?

* getting a agg/2e/ady bottom end will get me close to or the right comp ratio using the 16v head? Or can i use double gaskets or a spacer on the 9a block and calculate compression?

* Can i run the motor on dicktator STD.

* If i port and flow for N/A with cams will the head be unusable for turbo later on? I believe turbo port and flow would differ from N/A.

* Do i need to change pistons to 8v (2e/agg/ady) ones? If so, what else will need to be changed?


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Easiest mod for turbo option on a 9a is to use 2.5/2.6 83mm kombi pistons and have them machined for valve clearance and oil squirter clearance at the bottom. This will be a direct fit.
Great what will compression be?

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Great.

That will be part two of planning.



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Current pricing on the conversion:

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Total is increasing fast. You are going to add on another few thousands to that total, but all worth it.
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Yip. Need to add double then what it would cost in SA.

Luckily i got 210mm clutch already and my dicktator.

I believe i need the following?

- service kit.
- new seals
- gaskets
- new belts (timing and cambelt)

Next steps:

- decide on turbo or N/A ( will see what power looks like after first dyno)
- cams possibly for the interim
- gather itb/turbo parts ( dependant on NA vs Turbo)


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blou_poot wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 12:42 am Yip. Need to add double then what it would cost in SA.

Luckily i got 210mm clutch already and my dicktator.

I believe i need the following?

- service kit.
- new seals
- gaskets
- new belts (timing and cambelt)

Next steps:

- decide on turbo or N/A ( will see what power looks like after first dyno)
- cams possibly for the interim
- gather itb/turbo parts ( dependant on NA vs Turbo)


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I think your next steps should be your first steps.

If you do seals and gaskets now on N/A, double that as you will redo when going turbo.

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Noted.

Forgot about getting new bolts for the flywheel.

Not in a hurry at all... So will take my time to get it as near to perfect as i can this time around.

Learning a lot with the 16v motors as i did the last few years on the 8v motors.

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blou_poot wrote: Mon May 07, 2018 8:34 pm
Donavan wrote:
blou_poot wrote: Mon May 07, 2018 11:29 am Hi Wizards of the VW,

Just wanted to find out the following:

In terms of turboing the 9a are the following assumptions correct?

* getting a agg/2e/ady bottom end will get me close to or the right comp ratio using the 16v head? Or can i use double gaskets or a spacer on the 9a block and calculate compression?

* Can i run the motor on dicktator STD.

* If i port and flow for N/A with cams will the head be unusable for turbo later on? I believe turbo port and flow would differ from N/A.

* Do i need to change pistons to 8v (2e/agg/ady) ones? If so, what else will need to be changed?


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Easiest mod for turbo option on a 9a is to use 2.5/2.6 83mm kombi pistons and have them machined for valve clearance and oil squirter clearance at the bottom. This will be a direct fit.
Great what will compression be?

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Compression ratio will be perfect for turbo application.

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Donavan,

Cool will check it out.

However that will be a long term plan(3-6 months) for the next few months.

Additionally can someone give me a guideline if i port and flow my head now will it later be useless for turbo use?

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Received motor today.

Did not have much time to have a complete look... Luckily tomorrow is a public holiday...

Overall in good condition.

Just a question in terms of tps which plug will be used?

The black one or the orange one with the dicktator?ImageImageImageImageImage

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orange. But again - if not installing cams just use MAP not TPS - it's better for consmuption.
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Thanks Panic.

Will also relook the throttle body perhaps fit alternative part.

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blou_poot wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 8:48 pm Thanks Panic.

Will also relook the throttle body perhaps fit alternative part.

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