2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
- mike65
- Cadet
- Posts: 115
- Registered for: 8 years 10 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: mk1
- Location: south africa-port elizabeth
2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Howsit guys
Is their actually like a step by step guide on how to build a more or less 110kw 2l 8v motor?
Not that i dnt know how but would just like to see how other people get there.
Im planing on :
boring to 83.5mm
fitting branch and freeflow and
doing head work then maybe change to aftermarket management at a later stage.
Ive got pricing for pistons at R1380 with goetzee rings and bore costs about R860 rest of pricing will follow
Any input on a guide would be nice maybe i can learn new things
Is their actually like a step by step guide on how to build a more or less 110kw 2l 8v motor?
Not that i dnt know how but would just like to see how other people get there.
Im planing on :
boring to 83.5mm
fitting branch and freeflow and
doing head work then maybe change to aftermarket management at a later stage.
Ive got pricing for pistons at R1380 with goetzee rings and bore costs about R860 rest of pricing will follow
Any input on a guide would be nice maybe i can learn new things
Watch this space
-
- Cadet
- Posts: 358
- Registered for: 9 years 3 months
- Car Make: VW
- Car Model: Sportline
- Membership No: 3194
- Location: Randburg
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Slap a 1.9 TDI 8v motor in there and klap a file = 110 to 120 kw.
- dazza
- Field Marshal
- Posts: 12139
- Registered for: 16 years 3 months
- Car Make: VW and VW
- Car Model: Amarok and Citi Sport
- Membership No: 1327
- Location: Roodepoort
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
How much money do you have, that's gonna be key
Darryn Van Rooyen
Current: 17 Amarok V6 D/C 4Motion H/L Auto
Current: 1987 Citi Sport 1.6
Current: 91 Citi Sport 1.3
Current: 05 Kawasaki 200KDX, 16 KTM 300 EXC
Previous:
14 Amarok BITDI D/C 4Motion H/L Auto
12' MKVI GTI Manual
2009 Audi TT 2.0TFSI S-Tronic
2008 Honda CBX250 Twister - Crashed!
2011 Amarok BiTDI D/C Highline 4Motion
08 RS MKV GTI DSG
09 ZG Ibiza Cupra TDI
06 CW Sportline
01 Citi 1.4i
01 Yamaha YZ125
99 Toyota Tazz
94 Fox 1.8 Sport
Current: 17 Amarok V6 D/C 4Motion H/L Auto
Current: 1987 Citi Sport 1.6
Current: 91 Citi Sport 1.3
Current: 05 Kawasaki 200KDX, 16 KTM 300 EXC
Previous:
14 Amarok BITDI D/C 4Motion H/L Auto
12' MKVI GTI Manual
2009 Audi TT 2.0TFSI S-Tronic
2008 Honda CBX250 Twister - Crashed!
2011 Amarok BiTDI D/C Highline 4Motion
08 RS MKV GTI DSG
09 ZG Ibiza Cupra TDI
06 CW Sportline
01 Citi 1.4i
01 Yamaha YZ125
99 Toyota Tazz
94 Fox 1.8 Sport
- panic-mechanic
- Panic's Place
- Posts: 26715
- Registered for: 21 years 8 months
- Membership No: 79
- Location: Benoni, putfontein.
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Bore (increase capacity), raise CR, head flow , long cam, branch and freeflow , throttles. That is the normal path.
If not enough , more valves, NOS, Turbo.
If not enough , more valves, NOS, Turbo.
Stephan van Tonder - Jhb - Putfontein Benoni
'05 Audi A6 3.0L TDI Avant
'09 Touareg 3l TDI
'13 VW CC 2l tdi (repair project)
'05 Touareg v10
Perfect Power dealer. I do dyno tuning.
'05 Audi A6 3.0L TDI Avant
'09 Touareg 3l TDI
'13 VW CC 2l tdi (repair project)
'05 Touareg v10
Perfect Power dealer. I do dyno tuning.
-
- Cadet
- Posts: 224
- Registered for: 10 years 2 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: Polo 9N TDi Sportline, Jetta V
- Location: Cape Town
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
I am looking at going a similar route - but its for a T3 syncro , I have a spare 2e motor which ran bearings .
I was looking at doing the 1.9 tdi crank and 2.3 caravelle pistons and potentially a mild cam
How far can one take the MP9 mapping? , currently I am using the short loom with mp9 polo cup 2.0 computer box
I don't want crazy top end power , just more bottom and mid range power - to help climbing hills without generating too much heat
Sorry for the hi jack mike
I was looking at doing the 1.9 tdi crank and 2.3 caravelle pistons and potentially a mild cam
How far can one take the MP9 mapping? , currently I am using the short loom with mp9 polo cup 2.0 computer box
I don't want crazy top end power , just more bottom and mid range power - to help climbing hills without generating too much heat
Sorry for the hi jack mike
- mike65
- Cadet
- Posts: 115
- Registered for: 8 years 10 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: mk1
- Location: south africa-port elizabeth
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
^ no stress, enjoying the chatsupervly wrote:I am looking at going a similar route - but its for a T3 syncro , I have a spare 2e motor which ran bearings .
I was looking at doing the 1.9 tdi crank and 2.3 caravelle pistons and potentially a mild cam
^this im leaving for my 16v built which will be in this year as money rolls in
How far can one take the MP9 mapping? , currently I am using the short loom with mp9 polo cup 2.0 computer box
^Im not sure how far but with uni q you should get enough for under 120kw id say?
I don't want crazy top end power , just more bottom and mid range power - to help climbing hills without generating too much heat
Sorry for the hi jack mike
Watch this space
- mike65
- Cadet
- Posts: 115
- Registered for: 8 years 10 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: mk1
- Location: south africa-port elizabeth
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Today ive learned you get two 83.5mm pistons of which one is 63mm long and other one is shorterpanic-mechanic wrote:Bore (increase capacity), raise CR, head flow , long cam, branch and freeflow , throttles. That is the normal path.
If not enough , more valves, NOS, Turbo.
Which one would suit the long block running standard crank and rods?
Watch this space
- mike65
- Cadet
- Posts: 115
- Registered for: 8 years 10 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: mk1
- Location: south africa-port elizabeth
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Money is no issue, This will be my daily and mid range race car so as time goes on i will upgrade and build a 16v later ondazza wrote:How much money do you have, that's gonna be key
Watch this space
- Neuk
- Treasurer
- Posts: 49815
- Registered for: 18 years 4 months
- Car Make: Volkswagen
- Car Model: Touareg 3.0 V6 TDi R-Line
- Membership No: 806
- Location: Johannesburg
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Where is @BlueBlob, he is an expert at extracting power from an 8v.
Current Garage:
Daily Drive: 2014 VW Touareg 3.0 V6 TDi R-Line
Project Fes: 1982 VW Golf GLS 1.5
Project FeO: 1966 VW Type 2 Transporter Kombi Split Window
Previous Garage:
Roxy: 2015 VW Golf R
Vagon: 2005 Audi B6 A4 1.8T (140kw) Avant
Project XXXX: 1967 VW Type 3 Variant (Squareback)
Project Betty: 2005 Polo 1.9 TDI (PD130) Sportline
Weekend Warrior: 1993 Volkswagen Caddy 2.0 16v ABF on ITB's
Daily Drive: 2014 VW Touareg 3.0 V6 TDi R-Line
Project Fes: 1982 VW Golf GLS 1.5
Project FeO: 1966 VW Type 2 Transporter Kombi Split Window
Previous Garage:
Roxy: 2015 VW Golf R
Vagon: 2005 Audi B6 A4 1.8T (140kw) Avant
Project XXXX: 1967 VW Type 3 Variant (Squareback)
Project Betty: 2005 Polo 1.9 TDI (PD130) Sportline
Weekend Warrior: 1993 Volkswagen Caddy 2.0 16v ABF on ITB's
- dazza
- Field Marshal
- Posts: 12139
- Registered for: 16 years 3 months
- Car Make: VW and VW
- Car Model: Amarok and Citi Sport
- Membership No: 1327
- Location: Roodepoort
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
If money is no issue why not go straight to 16V?mike65 wrote:Money is no issue, This will be my daily and mid range race car so as time goes on i will upgrade and build a 16v later ondazza wrote:How much money do you have, that's gonna be key
Darryn Van Rooyen
Current: 17 Amarok V6 D/C 4Motion H/L Auto
Current: 1987 Citi Sport 1.6
Current: 91 Citi Sport 1.3
Current: 05 Kawasaki 200KDX, 16 KTM 300 EXC
Previous:
14 Amarok BITDI D/C 4Motion H/L Auto
12' MKVI GTI Manual
2009 Audi TT 2.0TFSI S-Tronic
2008 Honda CBX250 Twister - Crashed!
2011 Amarok BiTDI D/C Highline 4Motion
08 RS MKV GTI DSG
09 ZG Ibiza Cupra TDI
06 CW Sportline
01 Citi 1.4i
01 Yamaha YZ125
99 Toyota Tazz
94 Fox 1.8 Sport
Current: 17 Amarok V6 D/C 4Motion H/L Auto
Current: 1987 Citi Sport 1.6
Current: 91 Citi Sport 1.3
Current: 05 Kawasaki 200KDX, 16 KTM 300 EXC
Previous:
14 Amarok BITDI D/C 4Motion H/L Auto
12' MKVI GTI Manual
2009 Audi TT 2.0TFSI S-Tronic
2008 Honda CBX250 Twister - Crashed!
2011 Amarok BiTDI D/C Highline 4Motion
08 RS MKV GTI DSG
09 ZG Ibiza Cupra TDI
06 CW Sportline
01 Citi 1.4i
01 Yamaha YZ125
99 Toyota Tazz
94 Fox 1.8 Sport
- AlexTDi
- Field Marshal
- Posts: 11373
- Registered for: 12 years 7 months
- Car Make: VW
- Car Model: '15 Polo GTI
- Membership No: 1724
- Location: Johannesburg
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
You need about 25-30k, give Sarel Eloff from 8v performance a call but you basically need his stage 3 flowed head, high rev kit, bigger valves, Estas 288 or 298cam, his gatsby bottom end (2.1) 11:1 compression so either you run two maps or NF/higher octane fuel daily.
I did all this last year but didn't go 2.1 as I wasn't looking for 110kw and guess what I'm completing this weekend? a 2L 16v ABF build so if you really really really want a strong 8v then do that but a midly tuned 16v will do that power all day every day
I did all this last year but didn't go 2.1 as I wasn't looking for 110kw and guess what I'm completing this weekend? a 2L 16v ABF build so if you really really really want a strong 8v then do that but a midly tuned 16v will do that power all day every day
Alex
VWCSA Member No. 1724
Daily: '06 Land Rover Freelander TD4 HSE
Race Car: Polo Vivo GT
EX:
Daily:
'15 6C Polo GTI DSG
'06 1.9 TDI Sportline
'06 BMW 320D M-Sport
Weekend Toy: '84 Golf MK 1 GT
Race Car: Golf MK1 2 Door
https://www.facebook.com/AMRacing89
VWCSA Member No. 1724
Daily: '06 Land Rover Freelander TD4 HSE
Race Car: Polo Vivo GT
EX:
Daily:
'15 6C Polo GTI DSG
'06 1.9 TDI Sportline
'06 BMW 320D M-Sport
Weekend Toy: '84 Golf MK 1 GT
Race Car: Golf MK1 2 Door
https://www.facebook.com/AMRacing89
- mike65
- Cadet
- Posts: 115
- Registered for: 8 years 10 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: mk1
- Location: south africa-port elizabeth
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
16v is in the year plan im buzy getting my parts ready and i only have one car so cant sit without it for longdazza wrote:If money is no issue why not go straight to 16V?mike65 wrote:Money is no issue, This will be my daily and mid range race car so as time goes on i will upgrade and build a 16v later ondazza wrote:How much money do you have, that's gonna be key
Watch this space
- mike65
- Cadet
- Posts: 115
- Registered for: 8 years 10 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: mk1
- Location: south africa-port elizabeth
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
alot of the above mentioned i can do myself and would like a 90% diy jobAlexTDi wrote:You need about 25-30k, give Sarel Eloff from 8v performance a call but you basically need his stage 3 flowed head, high rev kit, bigger valves, Estas 288 or 298cam, his gatsby bottom end (2.1) 11:1 compression so either you run two maps or NF/higher octane fuel daily.
I did all this last year but didn't go 2.1 as I wasn't looking for 110kw and guess what I'm completing this weekend? a 2L 16v ABF build so if you really really really want a strong 8v then do that but a midly tuned 16v will do that power all day every day
the 8v i dont want to spend to much on it because i have to start from scratch with the 16v build,saving most of the cash for the next build...
110kw at the coast for an 8v is easy to get and its enough for a daily...16v im planing on atleast 130kw
Watch this space
- AlexTDi
- Field Marshal
- Posts: 11373
- Registered for: 12 years 7 months
- Car Make: VW
- Car Model: '15 Polo GTI
- Membership No: 1724
- Location: Johannesburg
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Ah you at the coast, yes much simpler then
Alex
VWCSA Member No. 1724
Daily: '06 Land Rover Freelander TD4 HSE
Race Car: Polo Vivo GT
EX:
Daily:
'15 6C Polo GTI DSG
'06 1.9 TDI Sportline
'06 BMW 320D M-Sport
Weekend Toy: '84 Golf MK 1 GT
Race Car: Golf MK1 2 Door
https://www.facebook.com/AMRacing89
VWCSA Member No. 1724
Daily: '06 Land Rover Freelander TD4 HSE
Race Car: Polo Vivo GT
EX:
Daily:
'15 6C Polo GTI DSG
'06 1.9 TDI Sportline
'06 BMW 320D M-Sport
Weekend Toy: '84 Golf MK 1 GT
Race Car: Golf MK1 2 Door
https://www.facebook.com/AMRacing89
- ICE King
- Cadet
- Posts: 820
- Registered for: 12 years 11 months
- Car Make: VW
- Car Model: Polo GTI 20V , Mazdarati
- Location: Cape Town
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Buy a 2l 8v , use MP9 if existing or go management , branch + exhaust , cam & induction and be happy with it while you build your 16 valve in the background.These mods are doing +-105kw ATF down here in CPTmike65 wrote:alot of the above mentioned i can do myself and would like a 90% diy jobAlexTDi wrote:You need about 25-30k, give Sarel Eloff from 8v performance a call but you basically need his stage 3 flowed head, high rev kit, bigger valves, Estas 288 or 298cam, his gatsby bottom end (2.1) 11:1 compression so either you run two maps or NF/higher octane fuel daily.
I did all this last year but didn't go 2.1 as I wasn't looking for 110kw and guess what I'm completing this weekend? a 2L 16v ABF build so if you really really really want a strong 8v then do that but a midly tuned 16v will do that power all day every day
the 8v i dont want to spend to much on it because i have to start from scratch with the 16v build,saving most of the cash for the next build...
110kw at the coast for an 8v is easy to get and its enough for a daily...16v im planing on atleast 130kw
No point going all out on a 8v when you could have a spend less money getting a stock 16v and making more power.
Unless the plan on only running quarter miles all day then the 8v is good enough, after 400m you'll watch a 16v pass you.
Last edited by ICE King on Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
1992 Mazda 323 B3 - Masala Mods
2008 VW POLO GTI - 76mm DP + 63mm exhaust , induction, FMIC, Thanas Tuned
2008 VW POLO GTI - 76mm DP + 63mm exhaust , induction, FMIC, Thanas Tuned
- Mk1Crazee
- Cadet
- Posts: 218
- Registered for: 6 years 8 months
- Car Make: VW
- Car Model: 1980 Mk1 4 Door 2L8V
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
dazza wrote:If money is no issue why not go straight to 16V?mike65 wrote:Money is no issue, This will be my daily and mid range race car so as time goes on i will upgrade and build a 16v later ondazza wrote:How much money do you have, that's gonna be key
1989 VW Fox 1800 (Sold)
1985 Ford XR3 1600Sport (Restoration Sold)
2004 Mk1 Golf 1.4i Velo Motor (Sold)
1980 Mk1 Old School Golf 2L8V
Shallow Pockets. Backyard Builder
1985 Ford XR3 1600Sport (Restoration Sold)
2004 Mk1 Golf 1.4i Velo Motor (Sold)
1980 Mk1 Old School Golf 2L8V
Shallow Pockets. Backyard Builder
- mike65
- Cadet
- Posts: 115
- Registered for: 8 years 10 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: mk1
- Location: south africa-port elizabeth
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
@ ice king
I have a 2l agg motor that im doing over very soon my intentions are to bore do full head work branch freeflow and retune
I have a 2l agg motor that im doing over very soon my intentions are to bore do full head work branch freeflow and retune
Watch this space
- WeirdSteam
- Cadet
- Posts: 353
- Registered for: 9 years 7 months
- Car Make: VW
- Car Model: A3 Sportback 1.8 TFSI
- Location: Cape town
- Contact:
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Bore to 83.5mm (40 thou oversize) fit a nice 288 cam with flow and branch. And you are sorted.mike65 wrote:@ ice king
I have a 2l agg motor that im doing over very soon my intentions are to bore do full head work branch freeflow and retune
Sent from my WAS-LX1 using Tapatalk
- Unobeat
- Lieutenant-General
- Posts: 8378
- Registered for: 13 years
- Car Make: Fiat, Toyota, Mazda
- Car Model: Uno, Auris, CX-5
- Location: Pretoria
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
I soo miss Torker, where has he disappeared to.
He has such epic N/A builds.
He has such epic N/A builds.
THANAS wrote:Mix them together to create Shellstrol, and then mix that with Winstrol to create the ultimate, maximum performance oil for your engine.
panic-mechanic wrote:When I build engines and do stuff like this I do it when there is nobody else around, No distractions, No phone nothing so that you don't forget what you should be doing. It's the little things that make them run right. Anybody can slap a basic bottom end together. that is the easy bit. It's all the little things that makes these builds a success or not.
-
- Cadet
- Posts: 224
- Registered for: 10 years 2 months
- Car Make: vw
- Car Model: Polo 9N TDi Sportline, Jetta V
- Location: Cape Town
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Ya where is Torker - he did manage to pull epic power from 8v motors
-
- Enlisted
- Posts: 6
- Registered for: 6 years 2 months
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
Hey guys, so i have a Polo 9n , ran a whole in the block and took the engine out, i do'nt want to buy the exact same engine i was thinking of buying a 2l 8valve APK .
What I'd like to know is :
1. will it be a straight fit
2. will i need to get another gearbox as well or will the standard 1.4 work
What I'd like to know is :
1. will it be a straight fit
2. will i need to get another gearbox as well or will the standard 1.4 work
-
- Enlisted
- Posts: 6
- Registered for: 6 years 2 months
- missioner
- Major
- Posts: 3991
- Registered for: 10 years 3 months
- Car Make: VW
- Car Model: '87 MK1 Golf Citi
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
What is the original motor?InquisitiveKid99 wrote:Hey guys, so i have a Polo 9n , ran a whole in the block and took the engine out, i do'nt want to buy the exact same engine i was thinking of buying a 2l 8valve APK .
What I'd like to know is :
1. will it be a straight fit
2. will i need to get another gearbox as well or will the standard 1.4 work
'87 Golf 1 Olde Skewl OEM+
-
- Captain
- Posts: 2716
- Registered for: 16 years 4 months
- Car Make: Audi Quatro, polo Beast and A3
- Car Model: S3, Polo Playa,
- Membership No: missing
- Location: Klerksdorp
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
You can forget 110wkw on a na 8v motor, not possible with all the money you got. Only to achieve that figures is to do a dyno run on a happy dyno.
Speak to 8v performance, Sarel Ellof if reacable.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/171419086276082
Speak to 8v performance, Sarel Ellof if reacable.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/171419086276082
- dubz-on-drugz
- Cadet
- Posts: 164
- Registered for: 11 years 7 months
- Location: underground
Re: 2l 8v rebuild to aleast 110kw
I think it's easier to make that power at the coast .many 8v's with itb on pump fuel making more then 110wkw.vwpro wrote:You can forget 110wkw on a na 8v motor, not possible with all the money you got. Only to achieve that figures is to do a dyno run on a happy dyno.
Speak to 8v performance, Sarel Ellof if reacable.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/171419086276082
Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk