ABF Conversion advice
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ABF Conversion advice
Hi guys.
I am currently driving a 2001 citigolf 1.6 carb. I am interested in exchanging the current engine for either a 2l 8v(2E) or a 2l 16v(ABF). I have some questions as to which would be the best setup. I have read elsewhere that the ABF puts out more power stock than the 2E (or other 2l 8v motors) stock. Is this true? Also I intend on keeping everything as simple as possible as it is my daily drive. Any advice is welcome advice. Thanks
I am currently driving a 2001 citigolf 1.6 carb. I am interested in exchanging the current engine for either a 2l 8v(2E) or a 2l 16v(ABF). I have some questions as to which would be the best setup. I have read elsewhere that the ABF puts out more power stock than the 2E (or other 2l 8v motors) stock. Is this true? Also I intend on keeping everything as simple as possible as it is my daily drive. Any advice is welcome advice. Thanks
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Re: ABF Conversion advice
Yes the abf makes more than the 2e or ady.
If you're budget allows it the abf is a good option, if not an ady will still be a nice upgrade.
If you're budget allows it the abf is a good option, if not an ady will still be a nice upgrade.
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The Abf is 110kw and the ADY is 89kw IIRC, The thing is you say your car is carb so you will need to change fuel tank and then get either engine management or go side draughts.
Like Nerville said your budget will determine a lot usually its around 18k +- to go ADY and about 30k to go Abf from a carb setup.
Hope this helps.
Like Nerville said your budget will determine a lot usually its around 18k +- to go ADY and about 30k to go Abf from a carb setup.
Hope this helps.
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In short a stock abf will make similar power as a modded 2E,ADY,AGG.
Parts are cheaper for the 8v's but modding them will make them heavier on fuel.
I'd say the abf is worth the price you pay.Lots and lots of potential in terms of N/a power.
Parts are cheaper for the 8v's but modding them will make them heavier on fuel.
I'd say the abf is worth the price you pay.Lots and lots of potential in terms of N/a power.
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Yip boils down to your budget. Dont think you goign to just buy motor and drop it in.
Loads of things you need to do to make an ABF work.
2E is a more straight forward drop in but with you having carb it poses that extra costing in to go Fi which you will have to go either way you go.
Loads of things you need to do to make an ABF work.
2E is a more straight forward drop in but with you having carb it poses that extra costing in to go Fi which you will have to go either way you go.
Agree on pricing tho it might be a bit more now as Prices on motors have shot through the roof on both.Vinnige Fanie wrote:The Abf is 110kw and the ADY is 89kw IIRC, The thing is you say your car is carb so you will need to change fuel tank and then get either engine management or go side draughts.
Like Nerville said your budget will determine a lot usually its around 18k +- to go ADY and about 30k to go Abf from a carb setup.
Hope this helps.
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Budget yourself
ADY - 12k - 97 wkw done in 2010
ABF - 23K - 122 wkw done in 2011
Done both conversion myself.
Keep in mind both these amounts exclude labour as I done the work myself with help of my bro and friends.
ADY - 12k - 97 wkw done in 2010
ABF - 23K - 122 wkw done in 2011
Done both conversion myself.
Keep in mind both these amounts exclude labour as I done the work myself with help of my bro and friends.
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Re: ABF Conversion advice
Thamks guys. Looks like I am going to have to put these plans on hold until I can finance the conversion. Once again thanks guys.
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Re: ABF Conversion advice
What did you run the abf of?
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Re: ABF Conversion advice
Araf69 had Gotech in his car if I am not mistaken.SideSwipe wrote:What did you run the abf of?
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My AdY was on mp9. My ABF was on gotech mfi V5. Thanks vdub caddy
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Ex 84 mk1 2 door GT
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Ex 85 mk1 ABF on ats cups - 122kw 198nm atw
Ex 04 2.0i ADY citi on BBS - 15.8s 1/4mile
Ex 00 Citi 1.6i 272cam TDi wheels
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Maybe at the coast not up in Jhb stock abf is 125hp +- stock ady is 100hp.araf69 wrote:Budget yourself
ADY - 12k - 97 wkw done in 2010
ABF - 23K - 122 wkw done in 2011
Done both conversion myself.
Keep in mind both these amounts exclude labour as I done the work myself with help of my bro and friends.
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Araf is in Durban hence the figures he got.Vinnige Fanie wrote:Maybe at the coast not up in Jhb stock abf is 125hp +- stock ady is 100hp.araf69 wrote:Budget yourself
ADY - 12k - 97 wkw done in 2010
ABF - 23K - 122 wkw done in 2011
Done both conversion myself.
Keep in mind both these amounts exclude labour as I done the work myself with help of my bro and friends.
From what I have seen ABF's make around 160hp in Durban.
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Wonder what modded ones do.
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Re: ABF Conversion advice
If you can get your hands on an ADY/2E/AGG block with pistons and crank, you can just swop out your 1.6 with the 2.0 block. The 1.6 head is the same as the 1.8 and 2.0 heads, so you can just get a 288 cam from Nellis at Sportcam and get your carb jetted for the cam and 2.0 block. You'll also need to get the 210mm clutch kit and flywheel. Get a second hand flywheel and lighten it.
In all likelihood, if you're a little patient, this should roughly work you out as follows:
*2.0 block with pistons, crank etc = R2000-3000
*210mm flywheel and clutch kit = R1500-2000
*288 cam = R1500
*Jetting of the carb and tuning = R1400
*Service items (oil, gaskets, antifreeze, filters etc. = R1000
That adds up to R7500-9000 for about a 30wHp increase and around 50Nm increase.
An ABF will cost you a lot more, because you'll have to buy the complete motor for like R13k, and you absolutely HAVE to convert to fuel injection, which involves getting a new petrol tank from a FI citi, new fuel lines, pump, management etc.
It's up to you, but in the end if you're chasing power, you'll end up going the ABF route. The allure of the 8v is just it's simplicity and very low maintenance costs, and they are not slow when modded.
In all likelihood, if you're a little patient, this should roughly work you out as follows:
*2.0 block with pistons, crank etc = R2000-3000
*210mm flywheel and clutch kit = R1500-2000
*288 cam = R1500
*Jetting of the carb and tuning = R1400
*Service items (oil, gaskets, antifreeze, filters etc. = R1000
That adds up to R7500-9000 for about a 30wHp increase and around 50Nm increase.
An ABF will cost you a lot more, because you'll have to buy the complete motor for like R13k, and you absolutely HAVE to convert to fuel injection, which involves getting a new petrol tank from a FI citi, new fuel lines, pump, management etc.
It's up to you, but in the end if you're chasing power, you'll end up going the ABF route. The allure of the 8v is just it's simplicity and very low maintenance costs, and they are not slow when modded.
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Re: ABF Conversion advice
I have done both:
Figures are from KAR in Kempton Park, Gauteng.
Modded 2l 8v ADY = heavy on fuel & 85wkw/114whp BUT a lot cheaper to buy + mod than ABF
I firstly started with a carb conversion on an ADY, then I converted my Citi to fuel injection.
I took a lot of pics, step by step.
Modded ABF = Light on fuel & 110wkw/150whp BUT expensive to buy + mod
Take a look at my ride thread (link in my signature) for pics etc of both motor swaps & modding them.
Figures are from KAR in Kempton Park, Gauteng.
Modded 2l 8v ADY = heavy on fuel & 85wkw/114whp BUT a lot cheaper to buy + mod than ABF
I firstly started with a carb conversion on an ADY, then I converted my Citi to fuel injection.
I took a lot of pics, step by step.
Modded ABF = Light on fuel & 110wkw/150whp BUT expensive to buy + mod
Take a look at my ride thread (link in my signature) for pics etc of both motor swaps & modding them.
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Re: ABF Conversion advice
or you could spend a a little bit and convert your old petrol tank?
this is what i did with my abf conversion..
this is what i did with my abf conversion..
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I didn't even have to mod my petrol tank.dbndude wrote:or you could spend a a little bit and convert your old petrol tank?
this is what i did with my abf conversion..
Standard caddy tank as far as I am aware.
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Nerville wrote:No need to mod a caddy tank.
damn, looks like i got worked for my R200
not even 1982 model caddy's?
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Sorry bud, thats a kak one!dbndude wrote:Nerville wrote:No need to mod a caddy tank.
damn, looks like i got worked for my R200
not even 1982 model caddy's?
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That's why all you people should pack up your sh*t(including tarlton)and come down to kzn!vdub caddy wrote:Araf is in Durban hence the figures he got.Vinnige Fanie wrote:Maybe at the coast not up in Jhb stock abf is 125hp +- stock ady is 100hp.araf69 wrote:Budget yourself
ADY - 12k - 97 wkw done in 2010
ABF - 23K - 122 wkw done in 2011
Done both conversion myself.
Keep in mind both these amounts exclude labour as I done the work myself with help of my bro and friends.
From what I have seen ABF's make around 160hp in Durban.
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And gearbox ? or can he still use what he's got...Scatman wrote:
An ABF will cost you a lot more, because you'll have to buy the complete motor for like R13k, and you absolutely HAVE to convert to fuel injection, which involves getting a new petrol tank from a FI citi, new fuel lines, pump, management etc.
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Really ??? is the ABF lighter on fuel so it can used as a daily, nicesjs wrote:I have done both:
Figures are from KAR in Kempton Park, Gauteng.
Modded 2l 8v ADY = heavy on fuel & 85wkw/114whp BUT a lot cheaper to buy + mod than ABF
I firstly started with a carb conversion on an ADY, then I converted my Citi to fuel injection.
I took a lot of pics, step by step.
Modded ABF = Light on fuel & 110wkw/150whp BUT expensive to buy + mod
Take a look at my ride thread (link in my signature) for pics etc of both motor swaps & modding them.
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Yeah I would love to.SideSwipe wrote:That's why all you people should pack up your sh*t(including tarlton)and come down to kzn!vdub caddy wrote: Araf is in Durban hence the figures he got.
From what I have seen ABF's make around 160hp in Durban.
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But how much lighter bud? With good tuning I've heard of 2.0 8v motors that are pretty good on the open road. Barney's car gave him +-15km/l on highway driving IIRC, with a 282 cam. My mp9 + Unichip combo gives me in +-12km/l highway driving(with some hoofing ) and my car isn't stock either?sjs wrote:I have done both:
Figures are from KAR in Kempton Park, Gauteng.
Modded 2l 8v ADY = heavy on fuel & 85wkw/114whp BUT a lot cheaper to buy + mod than ABF
I firstly started with a carb conversion on an ADY, then I converted my Citi to fuel injection.
I took a lot of pics, step by step.
Modded ABF = Light on fuel & 110wkw/150whp BUT expensive to buy + mod
Take a look at my ride thread (link in my signature) for pics etc of both motor swaps & modding them.