ABF Conversion advice

[Torker]

For the amount of power gain to amount of money to spend on ITB's its not worth it. IMHA

What I want to do to mine is a stroker kit and bore it out max. That should bring about good gains.

I gained 25Nm when I upped my displacement from 2.0 to 2.1, looking at going 2.2 now...

[CRASH_IT]

Now thats what im talking about 2.2 ABF.
mated to a port job and mild cams.
Anyone know what that setup might unleash on the wheels?

I know the 2.2 cranks are quite pricey tho.
I can dream for now.

[Torker]

Now thats what im talking about 2.2 ABF.
mated to a port job and mild cams.
Anyone know what that setup might unleash on the wheels?

I know the 2.2 cranks are quite pricey tho.
I can dream for now.

You can get to 97.5mm stroke by off-set grinding a big journal TDi crank to std big end size, 98mm if you go undersize on the big end...

[vdub caddy]

Now thats what im talking about 2.2 ABF.
mated to a port job and mild cams.
Anyone know what that setup might unleash on the wheels?

I know the 2.2 cranks are quite pricey tho.
I can dream for now.

If you have a look at dyno results from the dyno day held not too long ago.

Freek du Preez had a 2.2 ABF on ITB's with cams and headwork and he made 172whp and over 200nm.

[CRASH_IT]

but doesnt it then have the problem running bearings often?

Also im running on the 60-2 pickup.

[Torker]

Now thats what im talking about 2.2 ABF.
mated to a port job and mild cams.
Anyone know what that setup might unleash on the wheels?

I know the 2.2 cranks are quite pricey tho.
I can dream for now.

If you have a look at dyno results from the dyno day held not too long ago.

Freek du Preez had a 2.2 ABF on ITB's with cams and headwork and he made 172whp and over 200nm.

209Nm - one of the reasons I'm contemplating going 2.2...

[Torker]

but doesnt it then have the problem running bearings often?

Also im running on the 60-2 pickup.

I've done about 10k with my TDi crank and a lot of hooliganism and my crank and bearings are still fine...

60-2 you can fabricate a bracket and run it externally.

[vdub caddy]

but doesnt it then have the problem running bearings often?

Also im running on the 60-2 pickup.

I know that they have had a few 2.2's in their stable and they all seem to be fine and running well.

[CRASH_IT]

Now thats what im talking about 2.2 ABF.
mated to a port job and mild cams.
Anyone know what that setup might unleash on the wheels?

I know the 2.2 cranks are quite pricey tho.
I can dream for now.

If you have a look at dyno results from the dyno day held not too long ago.

Freek du Preez had a 2.2 ABF on ITB's with cams and headwork and he made 172whp and over 200nm.

209Nm - one of the reasons I'm contemplating going 2.2...

See now thats some NA power there.
Whats going to stay with a 172 whp ABF. Not much.
That was on Kar's dyno?

[vdub caddy]

See now thats some NA power there.
Whats going to stay with a 172 whp ABF. Not much.
That was on Kar's dyno?

Yep it was hey, and it was in a stripped MK1 GT.

Power to weight is insane.

[duncan]

Can anyone tell me if a cold air induction is possible on a ABF mk1 or what would be the best way to get more cold air up in the motor? Airbox is mounted up against the inside of the fender, space is abit cramped

[Psycho8v]

Can anyone tell me if a cold air induction is possible on a ABF mk1 or what would be the best way to get more cold air up in the motor? Airbox is mounted up against the inside of the fender, space is abit cramped

*Stolen from Torker's thread*

Something like this?

[duncan]

There's alot of PROS & CONS about running a cone filter or the airbox. Some people say the cone gets a huge amount of heat where the box is closed up, what would be best??

I've got the bigger silicon air bends straight through to the airbox, but after the box???

[Barney]

But how much lighter bud? With good tuning I've heard of 2.0 8v motors that are pretty good on the open road. Barney's car gave him +-15km/l on highway driving IIRC, with a 282 cam.

Dubrun with hoofing plenty and a fully loaded car with 3 people plus 1.4ton car at the start of the run up and down I got 7.5 per 100 down and 7.8l per 100 up.

2.0 with cam is light... driving style makes a massive difference. Driving to pta i got it really low mid 5l per 100, rolling traffic i will see high 8's low 9 and really bumper to bumper 10... if i just sit 110-120 on highway i see 6's

[Cameo62]

This is actually a really good read.. I was kinda hungry untill I read this - safe to say it's filling.. Anyway, er, sorry if this is a little off topic, but I have to know. Say you fit an O2J 'box to the ABF, would the variations in said 'boxes make a difference? Will it bolt straight on? See I've done a little research and narrowed it down to about three choices I think I have.. The DQY from the TDi Beetle, or the DZC or FBY from the Jetta IV or VR6. Also, will they fit to a 9A? Once again, sorry for thread jacking, I just have to know!!

[Barney]

go 1.8t all i am saying. go aug with cable throttle. /end thread

[Cameo62]

Makes sense, good power from the turbo - but, isn't that motor even more expensive than even the ABF? I actually have a 9A already, but my uncle has an ABF he might give to me if I ask nicely.. That's why I need to know if it will fit to either.. Also, that 1.8t - uses an O2M 'box if I ain't mistaken? Don't those weigh about as much as a MK1? Wouldn't it be senseless to drop it into a fox when the gear box weighs about just as much as the entire car? Power to weight ratio can't be good.. Or am I wrong?

[Gvelo]

Budget yourself

ADY - 12k - 97 wkw done in 2010

ABF - 23K - 122 wkw done in 2011

Done both conversion myself.

Keep in mind both these amounts exclude labour as I done the work myself with help of my bro and friends.

Maybe at the coast not up in Jhb stock abf is 125hp +- stock ady is 100hp.

Araf is in Durban hence the figures he got.

From what I have seen ABF's make around 160hp in Durban.

That's why all you people should pack up your sh*t(including tarlton)and come down to kzn!

Is those stock abf figures..? the most I have seen down here is 105 wkw stock

[Barney]

I am using the box that came with the cabrio. In stock for the 1.8t will make more everything than a worked abf

[Torker]

I am using the box that came with the cabrio. In stock for the 1.8t will make more everything than a worked abf

This is debatable - my single throttle ABF makes 10whp more than my SIL's Polo GTi with Revo software and downpipe...

[Hoosier Daddy]

This is what forums are for Please do continue learning alot!

[Barney]

Ok true.


But yours are made of black magic and witchcraft

[Torker]

This is what forums are for Please do continue learning alot!

LOL if you look at my previous comments I was still running an 8V, I've since converted to 16V and now own two potent 16V powered GT's...

[Torker]

Ok true.


But yours are made of black magic and witchcraft

Jip - the wizard's name is Sarel...

[Hoosier Daddy]

This is what forums are for Please do continue learning alot!

LOL if you look at my previous comments I was still running an 8V, I've since converted to 16V and now own two potent 16V powered GT's...

I've only ever been in one ABF powered car, and I must say I get why you guys do these conversions