1.4i to 2.0 conversion - is it that simple?

[IronG]

Hi,

As I said in my introduction message, one of the cars I own is a 2005 1.4i Citi Golf.

I have thought of doing a engine swap, but before I do anything I would like to know what I'm getting myself into.

I have got a VW Citi Golf Haynes manual and have done some basic operations on my previous golf (replacing the linkages, fitting a dropped suspension, doing services, replacing the Cam belt and distributor)

So in short, I know how to hold a spanner

I live in Stellenbosch and I have spoken to Adriaan (who works from his home in Jamestown) who does these conversions.

He told me that all I need is a 2E engine, polocup piggyback and 210mm clutch.

Could that really be it?

And is it just as simple as swapping the two motors and sorting out the management?

What parts come off the 1.4i (starter motor, distributor, etc) and what needs to be replaced?

[lawrence]

Hi and welcome to the forum?

You might want to consider upgrading your brakes too. With increased power you will want increased stopping power

Then there will be police clearance on the motor swap.

Service the motor while you are at it.

9 hole fly wheel

Exhaust/Branch?




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[IronG]

So i take it that the 1.4i Fuel system will just bolt onto the 2E motor?

I have seen some nice VR6 brake conversions and read that they work well, also the 1.4i exhaust system should work till I get to upgrading it.

So it's flywheel, clutch, software and 2E engine, the rest is just swap out with the old and in with the new engine?

Really that simple doing the upgrade?

[chucker02]

did my conversion from 1.3 carb to 2.0 carb today. still need to sort out the fueling as it has a dead spot, think its the jets??? and my gears are struggling to take. you can realy get it in and running in a day

[IronG]

So no extra parts needed for my 1.4i to 2.0i?
Are you in capetown?

[chucker02]

well i bought everything from a facet pump to a new clutch kit and all the seals/gaskets. no live in bloem bud but evrything is basically just bolt on. plug and play as they always say

[chucker02]

think you will probably need to get an aftermarket management or you must let someone reprogram yours to 2L but not sure. and i think a flywheel and clutch kit. i had to buy lots of parts for mine as i got it from a friend so lots of parts were missing/broken

[IronG]

When you buy an engine from importers like Mikes Place I take it that it should be quite complete?

As in with a oil pump and sump? Alternator and starter is probably not included?

Think I will give the sellers a ring this coming week.

Also is it the 2E longblock or 2.0 ABF motor I should inquire about?

Thanks for all the advise!

[G-spot]

So no extra parts needed for my 1.4i to 2.0i?
Are you in capetown?

Nope, The basic workings are the same on all the motors, You also dont need a piggy back chip, Just load a 2l map.
If you know your way around a citi engine bay you can do the swop from start to running in around 2 hours.

Scatman on the forum kept the 1.4 exhaust and in my opinion it held the 2l motor back a bit. I also think the 1.4 clutch will be fine, Just get the 210mm flywheel and transfer all the parts that doesnt come with the 2E motor from the 1.4.

Like Lawrence said, Service the motor while you at it.

[G-spot]

Also is it the 2E longblock or 2.0 ABF motor I should inquire about?

2E and ADY is 2.0L, 8V motors, ABF is 16v

Easiest swop will be the 2E/ADY motor, ABF is a little more involved but basics still apply

[chucker02]

ive heard that mikes place is good. talk to M3THANOL on the forum, i think he bought one at mikes place not long ago. looked like an amazing engine, better than ive ever seen an import. alternator comes with engine as well as sump etc. sometimes if your lucky you get a starter but you will use your old one as the car that that engine came out of will probably have a diferent bellhousing so it wont fit. ask for a 2E or ADY or AGG. they are 2.0L 8 vavle motors, the ABF your reffering to is a 2.0L 16 vavle. ADY is the best option as it comes with a better intake manifold and not the standard mp9 manifold(design is different) also heard that they have a smoother torque curve.

[IronG]

Shot for the advice G-Spot and chucker02, maybe I will be doing the conversion sooner than later.

Getting all the more excited and amped to do it

So the 2E or ADY or AGG in essence are the same motor and all of them will work?

The different manifold won't be a problem?

[chucker02]

i heard that its basically the same. no the intake manifold wont be a problem, but its the ady manifold you want to make the most out of that 2L

[araf69]

I went from 1.4i mp9 to 2.0i with mp9. I used all my 1.4i bits. Intake, injectors, mp9 loomn dizzy cap and leads. Also use the starter and 1.4i gearbox. Transferred all the 1.4i pulleys on to the 2L motor to run the 1.4i alternator.The ecu just has to remapped to 2L. The ADY dizzy needs to modified to rum mp9 which is not expenisive. You will need 9 bolt flywheel from a CTI or mk2 GTi 8v with 210mm sachs clutch kit. For me with the help of friends the coversion was simple. Done the coversion over 2 days. One day 1.4i next day 2.0i.

The intakes does make a differnce. I used the long intake cos its much neater in the bay and can run the map sensor for mp9. U will not notice the difference with the different intakes on the road.

[Torker]

I also did the 1.4i to 2E conversion in my VeloCiti, kept my std ECU and fitted a Q-Chip, also kept my 1.4 dizzy on an aluminium adaptor ring. I kept the alternator setup from the 1.4 and tappet cover with breather pipes as well, makes for a nice 'stealth' conversion.

[IronG]

I recon I would want to do the same as you Torker, so that it looks standard when you open the bonnet.

I'll even keep the 1.4i badge on the boot to give people that extra shock

Simple question, everywhere I read that the 1.6i head fits the 2.0 block, but when you buy a 2.0 engine, does it not come complete with the head?

Why does everyone swap their old heads onto the motor?
Is it because they are aware of the condition of there head?

[Torker]

I recon I would want to do the same as you Torker, so that it looks standard when you open the bonnet.

I'll even keep the 1.4i badge on the boot to give people that extra shock

Simple question, everywhere I read that the 1.6i head fits the 2.0 block, but when you buy a 2.0 engine, does it not come complete with the head?

Why does everyone swap their old heads onto the motor?
Is it because they are aware of the condition of there head?

Only guys that swap the heads over are the guys upgrading from carb to fuel injection. The 2E comes with the right head, infact identical to the 1.6/1.8 FI heads.

[IronG]

I was sure I must get the 2.0ADY motor, but you say that you got the 2E engine?

Does it matter which one I use?

Keeping in mind that I would like to keep the swap as simple and straight forward as possible?

[Torker]

I was sure I must get the 2.0ADY motor, but you say that you got the 2E engine?

Does it matter which one I use?

Keeping in mind that I would like to keep the swap as simple and straight forward as possible?

2E/ADY is basically the same motor, same specs. ADY is slightly newer and comes with crank angle sensor if you want to run a different ignition setup.

[IronG]

But I can just run the 2ADY motor with the ECU currently in the Citi with a remap?
If so and the prices of the motors are the same, the ADY would be just as well suited as the 2E?
How does the car feel with the 2lt vs the previous engine?
Throttle response, drive-ability, etc?

[Torker]

But I can just run the 2ADY motor with the ECU currently in the Citi with a remap?
If so and the prices of the motors are the same, the ADY would be just as well suited as the 2E?
How does the car feel with the 2lt vs the previous engine?
Throttle response, drive-ability, etc?

Although I'm no fan of the ECU remap, it will work (called a Bin Laden map)
ADY will work, you can block off the crank sensor hole with a welch plug (or just leave the sensor)
When I did my engine swap I went to a modified 2E, branch/freeflow/headwork/276 cam/Q-chip so my power went up quite a bit from the 1.4.
To me the 276 felt too stock so I upgraded to a 288, then 298 with Dicktator management and I still used the car as a daily.

[IronG]

So a quick recap, Engine (2E/ADY), Sachs 210mm clutch , 9 hole Flywheel and remap and it's done.

You went from a 1.4i to a 2.0i just like that ?

[Torker]

So a quick recap, Engine (2E/ADY), Sachs 210mm clutch , 9 hole Flywheel and remap and it's done.

You went from a 1.4i to a 2.0i just like that ?

Basically, excluding swapping over the small stuff (don't forget the dizzy, MP9 needs 4-window dizzy to work. When you get the clutch, ask for the 210mm/1800cc clutch kit, the 210mm/2000cc kit won't work.

[IronG]

That I needed a 1.8 Clutch Kit, that I didn't know, thanks for bringing it to my attention!
I will be printing out this thread before buying anything!

Dizzy? I take it that it's the distributor? Or is it a new part that I also need to purchase to fit?

Will the current distributor fit without a adapter plate or are there more parts needed that I first got told?

Sorry for playing the question game, but I have never attempted a engine swap by my own, but I want to learn and with all the help on the forums, the right tools and some Haynes manuals to assist, I feel up to it!

[Torker]

That I needed a 1.8 Clutch Kit, that I didn't know, thanks for bringing it to my attention!
I will be printing out this thread before buying anything!

Dizzy? I take it that it's the distributor? Or is it a new part that I also need to purchase to fit?

Will the current distributor fit without a adapter plate or are there more parts needed that I first got told?

Sorry for playing the question game, but I have never attempted a engine swap by my own, but I want to learn and with all the help on the forums, the right tools and some Haynes manuals to assist, I feel up to it!

Your MP9 distributor is smaller than the 2E/ADY one, you can either get an adaptor ring to make it fit or transplant your MP9 dizzy internals into the 2E/ADY dizzy.