Help! Golf 6, 2.0 TDI CR, CBAB diagnostics - cranking but not starting

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Help! Golf 6, 2.0 TDI CR, CBAB diagnostics - cranking but not starting

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Hi Forum members,

I need some help and expertise to diagnose vehicle in subject that cranks but does not start. This vehicle has about 302 000km on the odometer and relatively trouble free for the last 150 000km. Serviced only at the dealer except for cambelt changes which I do myself and one or two instances where I had intermittent faults which the dealer was not able to fix within the scheduled service window.

The current problem I have is that the engine cranks but fails to start. The car died whilst driving with Glowplug Light coming on and the MFD displaying Engine Fault - Workshop. I was not able to restart it. At that point I was relatively low on fuel - eventhough I have driven with a much lower fuel level without issues in 285 000km I have owned the vehicle. At the time I only owned a basic OBD scanner and found only a single DTC which indicated 'Fuel Rail Pressure Low' - I accepted defeat and put this down to too low fuel level. I filled the tank, then primed both the in-tank and engine bay electric fuel pumps as per tutorial for the diesel filter change however, still only cranking and no starting. I then proceeded to bleed the HP fuel system between the HPFP and Injectors and managed to get the engine started. I left the engine to idle for a fair amount of time whereafter I decided to take the vehicle back home which is about 5 to 10km trip. On the way home I noted that the fuel guage was now not working and assumed that the electrical plug on the fuel tank pump unit was not in properly - a few kilometres into the journey the glowplug light appeared again, and the same engine fault - workshop warning appeared in the MFD, however, it did not cut out and only went into limp mode - which allowed me to get back home however, cut out just as I parked it in front of the garage. This time I assumed it must have been as a result of the electrical socket not completely inserted on the intank fuel pump. I then proceeded to prime pumps again (the hard way without VCDS) and prime the HP fuel system, however, have not been able to get it started again - now this is where I need help!

In order to diagnose the reason for cranking and not starting I have done the following:
1. Order VCDS,
2. Opened up diesel filter canister - inspected for any debris, alum filings etc. None found and also replaced filter even though it is only due for replacement in another 15000km.
3. Pulled the in tank fuel pump and inspect for any debris or blockages etc - some debris on screen but I guess it can be expected for a 300 000km vehicle.

I have now received my VCDS software and have worked through the basics of the software in order to use it. I have scanned for new DTC's and no new DTC's showed.

Any ideas where to start looking? I have looked at some basic items in VCDS such as the rpm's and fuel rail pressure during cranking. Crank rpm is between 200 and 300 rpm and fuel rail pressure around 240bar. Are these values high enough to release fuel injection? Can I check in VCDS if fuel is injected and is there perhaps some other parameters that might not be met that prevents injection and/or need to be reset?

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks,



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Wednesday,25,July,2018,09:27:09:01273
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.5 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ1KZAW006014   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 1K-VW36 (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZAW006014   Mileage: 301360km-187256miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CBA)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 022 LA    HW: 03L 906 022 G
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG  3893  
   Revision: 13H02---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0001072
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 6FBA25881B9D43EF98E-803A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AN    HW: 1K0 907 379 AN
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H45 0107  
   Revision: 00H45001    
   Coding: 163B400D09220000680B02E5901D00823000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 7EA408CC40F73A67038-802A

1 Fault Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 200
                    Mileage: 301369 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.12.13
                    Time: 00:00:58

             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 16391
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 4096
                    Count: 128
                    Count: 41216
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 3328


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 3C8-907-336.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 336 J    HW: 3C8 907 336 J
   Component: Climatic      H13 0203  
   Revision: 00006001    
   Coding: 0000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatic A01001
   ROD: EV_ClimaBasis_VW36.rod
   VCID: 3430EAE43EBB2037A5C-8060

2 Faults Found:
9477489 - Motor for Air Distribution Flap 
          B109D 71 [008] - Actuator stuck
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 5
                    Reset counter: 233
                    Mileage: 301212 km
                    Date: 2018.07.04
                    Time: 10:32:55

13701888 - Function Restriction due to Faults in Other Modules 
          U1113 00 [008] - -
          [Motorsteuergerät - bitte Fehlerspeicher auslesen]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 220
                    Mileage: 300378 km
                    Date: 2018.06.16
                    Time: 05:44:28


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 086 C    HW: 1K0 937 086 C
   Component: BCM PQ35  M   103 0537  
   Revision: 00103 AB    
   Coding: 4E180A3E9025F1C044080080140081E441510088536D8560648000200000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3038E6F4CA231C17C14-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 29040  21  0501 
   Coding: 009795

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 150509 05  54  0402 
   Coding: 0330AD

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0104 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 D
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H08 9001 

8 Faults Found:
02395 - Parking Light Front Right (M3) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 18
                    Reset counter: 240
                    Mileage: 296384 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.08.14
                    Time: 08:56:20

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 Off
                    Voltage: 11.80 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

01518 - Bulb for Back-Up Lights; Left (M16) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 98
                    Reset counter: 225
                    Mileage: 297990 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.10.07
                    Time: 08:27:39

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 14.05 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        ON

00984 - Left Tail Light (M4) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 224
                    Mileage: 300040 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.11.02
                    Time: 17:51:11

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 13.50 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100010
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 239
                    Mileage: 301339 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.12.11
                    Time: 16:56:30

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 13.85 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

00907 - Intervention load Management 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 239
                    Mileage: 301359 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.12.12
                    Time: 10:34:60

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 11.30 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

00834 - Signal for Activation of Heated Rear Window 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101001
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 240
                    Mileage: 301369 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 Off
                    Voltage: 12.20 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

03266 - Control Circuit for Signal Horn 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 240
                    Mileage: 301369 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.12.13
                    Time: 02:35:57

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 Off
                    Voltage: 12.15 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF

00153 - Windshield Wiper Motor;  Driver Side (V216) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 240
                    Mileage: 301369 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.12.13
                    Time: 00:00:02

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 Off
                    Voltage: 12.30 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        Term 50 Off
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 655     HW: 5K0 959 655 
   Component: AirbagVW10    033 0604  
   Serial number: 003C2R90774S  
   Coding: 00003230
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01009
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
   VCID: 77AA1DE86F4D0B2F40E-8022

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  U01 ---- 
   Serial number: 14656247ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  U01 ---- 
   Serial number: 7A360448ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 1E1A2766ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 22062752ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CQ    HW: 1K0 953 549 CQ
   Component: J0527           053 0111  
   Coding: 0000034
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 035279382715578F6C6-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5K0 920 870 E    HW: 5K0 920 870 E
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0206  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 170B00
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04040
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW36.rod
   VCID: 2F3AE588D79D03EFD8E-807A

1 Fault Found:
9453074 - Fuel Level Sensor 1 
          B103E 1B [008] - Resistance Too High
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 5
                    Reset counter: 240
                    Mileage: 301359 km
                    Date: 2018.07.22
                    Time: 10:21:30


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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AA    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0081  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 110509F2001070
   Coding: E9807F06000202000003
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 669440AC346782A7EB8-8032

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:. 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 920 870 E    HW: 5K0 920 870 E
   Component: IMMO          H05 0206  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03004
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 2F3AE588D79D03EFD8E-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 701 D    HW: 5K0 959 701 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2124  
   Coding: 0000692
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3332E9F83735270FBC6-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 H
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     2901  
   Revision: 00H15000    
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 2F3AE588DB1D03EFD8E-807A

1 Fault Found:
03803 - Steering Angle Sensor for Steering Aid 
            000 -  -  - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    Battery Volts: 12.6 V
                        PD
                    Temperature: 13.0°C
                    Count: 2
                    Steering Angle: 0.00°
                    Count: 1
                        SteerAng n.Init


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 702 D    HW: 5K0 959 702 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2124  
   Coding: 0000692
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3430EAE4323B2037A5C-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 186 AA    HW: 1K0 035 186 AA
   Component: Radio RCD310  013 0036  
   Revision: 01000000    Serial number: VWZ1Z2I6151234
   Coding: 0500040004
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 659647A0C56189BFE22-8030

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 C    HW: 5K0 959 703 C
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012552
   VCID: 3430EAE4323B2037A5C-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 C    HW: 5K0 959 704 C
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012552
   VCID: 3536D7E03941393F922-8060

No fault code found.

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Re: Help! Golf 6, 2.0 TDI CR, CBAB diagnostics - cranking but not starting

Post by panic-mechanic »

I don't know the 2l common rail well but on the 3l tdi injectors won't be activated until fuel pressure reads 200 bar in the rail.
Oh and both the main rpm and cam rpm must be active and read for start to happen.
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'05 Audi A6 3.0L TDI Avant
'09 Touareg 3l TDI
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Re: Help! Golf 6, 2.0 TDI CR, CBAB diagnostics - cranking but not starting

Post by panic-mechanic »

Ok found SSP 420 which says injection starts at over 120 bar and shuts off below 100 bar.
Stephan van Tonder - Jhb - Putfontein Benoni
'05 Audi A6 3.0L TDI Avant
'09 Touareg 3l TDI
'13 VW CC 2l tdi (repair project)
'05 Touareg v10

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