1.4 TDI AMF no start

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1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Amateur10 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:02 pm

Hi All

I have a 1.4 tdi AMF motor, rebuilt, sub assembly, block sent in tested, all gaskets replaced.

Ever since the rebuild, the car would not start, first it started and died in 5 seconds, now it doesnt start at all.

changed filter, new diesel, pump primes when key is turned, unplugged the the fuel line, when you turn the key the diesel comes out for about 2 - 5 seconds, and stops, turn it off back on diesel pumps again,

used one of those cheap obd scanners gives error P0726, so i bought a new crank sensor, cleared the code, still the same. Code just keeps returning, car cranks very well, but wont start, when cranking, it kinda starts, but not exactly (sorry dont know how to explain that) white smoke comes from the exhaust diesel smell, nothing thick just light smoke like a Dunhill. lol.

didnt do that TSB i saw on here, im told it will only work on the new software, mine is still factory,

glow plug light flashes non stop (new plugs and harness) CEL on DTC P0726. car will just crank and crank forever. when i try start without the cam sensor plugged in, it just cranked doesnt even try to start, with cam sensor plugged in it atleast kinda starts, same with crank sensor.

I have googled alot of info before coming to the experts.

Any ideas I could try please guys would be appreciated. ASSEBLIEF TOG, im lost now
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Ashveer03 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:05 pm

Is the injector lash and timing set properly?

Also verify if u have the fuel pipes in the correct position. It can be a little tricky

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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by panic-mechanic » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:42 pm

so in a year you still have not managed to start it. Which area are you in?.
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Amateur10 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:44 am

Ashveer03 wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:05 pm
Is the injector lash and timing set properly?

Also verify if u have the fuel pipes in the correct position. It can be a little tricky

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injectors are as they were before, it broke. never worked on them.

pipes on are properly for sure, i used the manual to make sure.

thanks for the feedback
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Amateur10 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:48 am

panic-mechanic wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:42 pm
so in a year you still have not managed to start it. Which area are you in?.
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the car was someone else's about a year ago, it was standing in his garage when we initially rebuilt it, it didnt start then, so he just left it standing, i bought it from him last week, for next to nothing, i just couldnt let it go quitely into the night.

Its mine now in my garage, and I want to get it going, only car I have at the moment, I sold my Ballade, (kopseer)

The car is super clean,

Im in the west rand Melville area, ill still call you guy though, maybe he can advise me

Thanks again
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by panic-mechanic » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:54 am

Yup Give him a try. He is super clued up on those little cars. Still to this day I think it's cam timing based on the faults.
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Amateur10 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:17 pm

I have the timing lined up as per pic, from the workshop manual

https://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen ... thed_belt/
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Post by panic-mechanic » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:22 pm

Best is chat to trevor and get an opinion.
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Ashveer03 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:29 pm

The cam can only be locked in 1 position, most tdi locking tool sets i have seen have 2 crank locking tools and they both have the alignment arrow in different locations , check if the correct 1 was used.

Also set the cam pulley so that the 13mm bolts are more or less in the center of the slots, needs to be fine tuned with vcds

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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by 4ePikanini » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:31 pm

Have you checked that the glowplugs get voltage?
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Amateur10 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:53 pm

4ePikanini wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:31 pm
Have you checked that the glowplugs get voltage?
I actually havent, thanks will check for that, the glow plug light is constantly flashing.
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Amateur10 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:55 pm

Ashveer03 wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:29 pm
The cam can only be locked in 1 position, most tdi locking tool sets i have seen have 2 crank locking tools and they both have the alignment arrow in different locations , check if the correct 1 was used.

Also set the cam pulley so that the 13mm bolts are more or less in the center of the slots, needs to be fine tuned with vcds

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yes so i lock the cam on the left side through the hole in the cam and into the head, if you look behind the sprocket there is 2 finger type on the sprocket that must line up with the arrow on the plastic backing 3Z, Crank lines up, slightly to the left of the hole.

Think ill have to make a plan to buy VCDS,

Thanks for the feedback
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Kassieford » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:43 pm

Hi all, I'm new to this group and sits with the same issue...Car has been running like a watch for the last 8 years of owning it...It all started with it cutting out while driving and now just cranks and sometimes starting before cutting out again...Replaced Pump, water sensor, relay109, crank sensor, checked ignition. ..all seems fine...looks like a fuel starvation, where do I start and what cuts the fuel to the engine? PLZ HELP...
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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by Ashveer03 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:08 pm

Did u not check the timing and tandem pump?

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Re: 1.4 TDI AMF no start

Post by panic-mechanic » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:34 pm

Common fialure on them is the fuel injector harnass.
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