Buying a high mileage BiTdi Amarok

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Re: Buying a high mileage BiTdi Amarok

Post by Gti3 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:54 am

4ePikanini wrote:Delete the EGR system and bypass the cooler. They are known to fail dumping cooling into exhaust and out the tail pipe - risking an overheating engine.

It already has a chip so a remap should be easy to shut the ECU up with the EGR delete.
Thanks - how would I know if it has already failed or is still working fine? what would the symptoms be ?
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Post by 4ePikanini » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:56 am

Gti3 wrote:
4ePikanini wrote:Delete the EGR system and bypass the cooler. They are known to fail dumping cooling into exhaust and out the tail pipe - risking an overheating engine.

It already has a chip so a remap should be easy to shut the ECU up with the EGR delete.
Thanks - how would I know if it has already failed or is still working fine? what would the symptoms be ?
Loss of coolant.

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Post by Gti3 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:39 am

4ePikanini wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:56 am
Gti3 wrote:
4ePikanini wrote:Delete the EGR system and bypass the cooler. They are known to fail dumping cooling into exhaust and out the tail pipe - risking an overheating engine.

It already has a chip so a remap should be easy to shut the ECU up with the EGR delete.
Thanks - how would I know if it has already failed or is still working fine? what would the symptoms be ?
Loss of coolant.

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Phew! Ok it's not losing coolant so happy about that!

Maybe I'll try and give it a cleanup 1st before removing it just as a maintenance step.
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Post by 4ePikanini » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:47 am

Gti3 wrote:
4ePikanini wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:56 am
Gti3 wrote:
4ePikanini wrote:Delete the EGR system and bypass the cooler. They are known to fail dumping cooling into exhaust and out the tail pipe - risking an overheating engine.

It already has a chip so a remap should be easy to shut the ECU up with the EGR delete.
Thanks - how would I know if it has already failed or is still working fine? what would the symptoms be ?
Loss of coolant.

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Phew! Ok it's not losing coolant so happy about that!

Maybe I'll try and give it a cleanup 1st before removing it just as a maintenance step.
Bypass the cooling through the egr altogether and then have the egr removed altogether and have the ecu coded to stop it throwing an egr error.

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Post by marzbars » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:24 am

Dealership I bought the Navara from had a bitdi, mileage at 160k
They spent R28k to fix the turbo's and dropped the price from R229k to R169k to get rid of it.
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Post by Gti3 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:55 pm

marzbars wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:24 am
Dealership I bought the Navara from had a bitdi, mileage at 160k
They spent R28k to fix the turbo's and dropped the price from R229k to R169k to get rid of it.
http://www.liebenbergauto.co.za/vehicle ... e=5&page=3
Thanks , I took the chance on my one and it really isn't bad considering the mileage it's done. Just trying to keep it in good nick and sort out every little issue.
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Re: Buying a high mileage BiTdi Amarok

Post by Salt » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:32 pm

I am also starting to look at an Amarok. I was initially looking at an Isuzu or Toyota Hlux round 2012 to 2014 model...but the look of the Amarok is just something else. I also think it will hold a modern look for longer than the Hilux and others. I am looking at the 2.0 BiTDI but a 4x2. I've heard from an owner of a 4x4 that his fuel consumption is higher than those of a 4x2 - anyone can confirm this? Then I am also considering the DSG and manual. Personally I would like the DSG but I want to compare fuel consumption between the manual and DSG and then life expectancy on the clutch/gearbox between the two. Any info here for me?
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Post by panic-mechanic » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:43 pm

it's not DSG - it's a proper ZF auto.
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Post by Salt » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:05 pm

OK - didn't know that - thanks. Same questions apply though - will help me a lot if some of you with experience can give some feedback on those please.
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Post by panic-mechanic » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:33 pm

sorry can't help. Don't own one. Logially anything fulltime 4wd will always use a bit more fuel. But it depends on what you want to do with the car. If you NEED 4wd then there is use getting a 2wd because it uses less fuel.
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Post by Salt » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:30 pm

100% - and I don't need 4x4 so I think 4x2 will suffice for me. In terms of know issues, I think everything on this thread has answered those questions for me. Just want know about fuel for the manual vs auto. I see by the far the most ones for sale on Gumtree are auto.
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Post by Ashveer03 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:45 pm

Auto is generally heavier on fuel than a manual.. i dont know exactly how much, google should help u with some info though

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Post by Salt » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:29 am

Nothing like first hand feedback from past or present owners...thus I thought a good idea to ask here :) Hoping someone can shed some light for me
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Post by amstel18 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:39 am

I had a 4x2 manual. the 120kw one. Mine had a Unichip fitted and averaged 11.5km/l around town.
Brother inlaw has a 132kw auto. He gets around 8km/l, but then again, when he had the manual, he only saw 8.5km/l. He drives it like he stole it.

So if you drive nicely, you should see more than 10km/l with the auto.
Much better than you'd see from a Hilux auto. I had my sister's 3.0 D4d fortuner for a weekend. it gave me 6.5km/l.
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Post by Salt » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:57 am

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I had a 4x2 manual. the 120kw one. Mine had a Unichip fitted and averaged 11.5km/l around town.
Brother inlaw has a 132kw auto. He gets around 8km/l, but then again, when he had the manual, he only saw 8.5km/l. He drives it like he stole it.

So if you drive nicely, you should see more than 10km/l with the auto.
Much better than you'd see from a Hilux auto. I had my sister's 3.0 D4d fortuner for a weekend. it gave me 6.5km/l.
Yes my friend had a Hilux auto and his fuel consumption is terrible! 11.5km/l is very good for a bakkie I think.
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Post by Gti3 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:19 pm

If I had the finances I would have probably opted for an auto. The gearbox isn't the smoothest on the Amarok, well atleast not on mine. It is a bit clunky, however once you settle in to it it's not too bad to live with.

Amarok is awesome vehicle otherwise. My concern wasn't really fuel consumption as I got it as a second vehicle.
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Post by Salt » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:26 pm

Thanks for the feedback GTi3 - my plan for us is to get the Amarok for me which will be to work and back and then for holidays. I want to get my wife a 2015 (or thereabouts) Polo GTI DSG for her and for weekend driving. I am trying to set us up for best of both worlds (OK mostly me) hehehehe...a bakkie and something with a little speed. She also loves some power and a bakkie so its really a win win situation. Been looking at the Polo GTI and recon its better to ptob go for the 1.8 GTI than the 1.4 GTI. But the first buy will be the Amarok. I won't go over 100 000km as I will want to keep for an extended period of time. Were not bothered about buying new, buy pre owned has thankfully always treated us well financially and in reliability. The only one that stumbled was a Nissan Qashqai 1.5 DCI where the turbo went after 75 000km. Thankfully I took out an extended warranty with Wesbank/Engine Room/Motorite and they covered the R40k to fix it - so even that wasn't really a worry for us.
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Post by Gti3 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:30 pm

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Hi Guys

Thought i'd give some feedback on the +- 10 000kms i've done with this Amarok thus far.

Overall id have to say that it is really an awesome machine! From the way it looks to the ease of moving around such a big vehicle. The vehicle was serviced when I got it at 261k, and has not asked for oil or water in the 10 000kms that I have covered. I am loving the ability to carry my family in the vehicle as well as chuck almost anything I need to in the loading bin or even tow a car as well. I've towed 2 cars of relatives and the amarok did it with absolute ease. All this whilst offering a very comfortable ride!

In terms of fuel consumption, its decent for its size - id say averaging around 10l/100km

I have also recently taken it to the Killarney 4x4 facility here in Shongweni for my 1st ever off road experience. I'm not very experienced in terms of the rough stuff but from the stuff I tried there , it managed to get through most of it of it quite easily. I was quite surprised especially considering my lack of skill/off road experience! I did however stay away from the mud as my rear tyres aren't very good.

Some of the issues I've experienced with it thus far:

1. The vehicle drives 'rough' intermittently - its hard to exactly describe, but its like some is dry or grinding. I can feel it on the steering wheel and gear lever through the rev range. it doesn't hesitate or stutter on pull away but when its running smoothly the difference is quite apparent as the the grind feeling is not there and the steering feels lighter as well as it seems a bit eager to get going. Gear changes are also smoother. The vehicle is running a tune which was done by the previous owner using ATM Chiptuning - I am trying to arrange to get some logs done to see if anything is out of the ordinary - Any ideas on this guys?

2. the tonneau cover tarp needs replacement - faded and brittle clips - I guess this is expected on a vehicle with this exposure to the sun and dry inland conditions

3. 4x4 sometimes does not engage immediately - I hardly ever use it so not an issue for me

4. Difflock was intermittently not engaging but in the last month does not seem to engage at all - the light flashes on the dash but does not stay on to signal that it has engaged successfully - any ideas on this ?

5. Need to replace the battery - I see that it still has an original VW battery in it, so taking this as part of routine maintenance for now. Looking at going with a Willard 658 100AH - any risk in doing this ?

6. the hooter sounds horrible as compared to my Golf 7 , but I can live with this. Will look at changing the horn if possible

It is now due for a service at 271k and am currently looking for a place to service it here in Durbs (beside VW). Also considering getting the fanbelt and associated pulleys changed in the coming weeks as well.

Would also like to have the tailgate wired up to the central locking so that it locks together.

Any questions or input on the above would be welcomed
Some feedback on changes/maintenance thus far. I have had the vehicle serviced - oil, oil filter, air filter, diesel filter and pollen filter. Have also changed the fan belt/ancillary belt, tensioner and roller pulley. The vehicle seems to have gotten a little smoother with much reduced grind feeling on the steering. I do still have the feedback on the gear lever when it's running rough.

I did also note that switching the air con on makes the engine slightly quieter, possibly air-conditioning pulley needs replacement?

I have also replaced the battery and noticed that the hooter sounds fine now. The 4x4 and low range also engages immediately with no hesitation.

The diff lock still does not engage. - have not had a chance to clean the actuator like Panic suggested but will do so soon. Have to figure out how to do it 1st lol.

I also thinking about giving the intercooler and related piping a cleanup as I noticed alot of oily residue in intake pipe. Am also thinking about giving the egr and cooler a cleanup as well. What do you guys think? Is it worth doing these cleanups?
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Re: Buying a high mileage BiTdi Amarok

Post by panic-mechanic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:58 pm

Difflock is a long ongoing issue with them. there is also a sensor ring and pickup that fails. R13k odd fix at the dealers only.
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Post by 4ePikanini » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:22 pm

Delete the EGR cooler. They like to crack, leak coolant out the exhaust and then you overheat.
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Post by Gti3 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:44 pm

panic-mechanic wrote:
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Difflock is a long ongoing issue with them. there is also a sensor ring and pickup that fails. R13k odd fix at the dealers only.
Oh no that doesn't sound promising...
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Post by Gti3 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:36 pm

4ePikanini wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:22 pm
Delete the EGR cooler. They like to crack, leak coolant out the exhaust and then you overheat.
Is it safe to do? I've been reading some mixed views on this and am quite confused about removal or not.
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Post by 4ePikanini » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:47 am

Gti3 wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:36 pm
4ePikanini wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:22 pm
Delete the EGR cooler. They like to crack, leak coolant out the exhaust and then you overheat.
Is it safe to do? I've been reading some mixed views on this and am quite confused about removal or not.
Safer than risking an overheat.

CAT delete
DPF delete
EGR and it's cooler delete
software flash to shut the ecu up
regular services with good oils and change all 3 filters every service!

These are the key points to engines going waaaaay beyond 300'000km.
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Post by dazza » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:31 am

4ePikanini wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:47 am
Gti3 wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:36 pm
4ePikanini wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:22 pm
Delete the EGR cooler. They like to crack, leak coolant out the exhaust and then you overheat.
Is it safe to do? I've been reading some mixed views on this and am quite confused about removal or not.
Safer than risking an overheat.

CAT delete
DPF delete
EGR and it's cooler delete
software flash to shut the ecu up
regular services with good oils and change all 3 filters every service!

These are the key points to engines going waaaaay beyond 300'000km.
No DPF to worry about on the SA BITDI's
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Re: Buying a high mileage BiTdi Amarok

Post by dazza » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:36 am

The Auto 4 motion is heavier on fuel then the manual can confirm have owned both, between 0.5 and 1.0L/100km's.

If you going auto 4x2 then you need not worry because it is not full time AWD so will be similar to a manual Amarok.

Delete Cat, do all belts including cambelt and waterpump if the mileage is already approaching 75/80K for piece of mind
Monitor coolant level and leaking EGR, if EGR has signs of leaking then get the thing removed and do software to accompany it.

The BITdi with 4motion is the one to have if you can spring for the extra money. Decat and software wakes the thing up nicely, can recommend it.
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