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Post by dazza » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:35 pm

Just bought my second Amarok...could not be happier. Looks like the fanbelt is pretty new so potentially the previous owner had this changed at some point. None the less will change cambelt, waterpump and fanbelt at 75000km's for my own sanity. Fanbelt and cambelt are basically the things you need to consider as preventative maintenance. The Amaroks have proven themselves already and I plan on driving mine until the wheels fall off or until I can afford the V6 Amarok which ever comes first
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Post by amstel18 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:59 pm

dazza wrote:Just bought my second Amarok...could not be happier. Looks like the fanbelt is pretty new so potentially the previous owner had this changed at some point. None the less will change cambelt, waterpump and fanbelt at 75000km's for my own sanity. Fanbelt and cambelt are basically the things you need to consider as preventative maintenance. The Amaroks have proven themselves already and I plan on driving mine until the wheels fall off or until I can afford the V6 Amarok which ever comes firstI ITCH FOR SOMETHING FASTER AGAIN
ftfy...

I also want one again. Trying to convince my wife to buy one so I can drive it over weekends. I'm enjoying my audi too much to sell for a amarok. But I ONLY want to drive my car over weekends because I hate her POS astra.
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Re: Buying a high mileage BiTdi Amarok

Post by ThatBloke » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:39 pm

panic-mechanic wrote:You don't. You start it when cold. If it does not smoke white then so far so good.
Then you drive it and see if it smokes. If not then so far so good
Then you drive it for a little bit more and feel if it stumbles or hesitates.
If not so far so good.
From there you trust and hope and that is why it is said there is some risk in buying a second hand vehicle, because some things you don't know.
I suggest you buy a zero milage diesel new from the dealer.
And even then sometimes things go wrong becuase it is a manmade thing that could go wrong.
Ah ok, thanks for the correction in thinking. As I understand it white smoke potential over fueling due to out of spec injectors, blue smoke oil due to worn rings, valve stem seals or turbo issues?

What would stumbling/hesitation point to?
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Post by panic-mechanic » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:42 am

White smoke is an injector that does not atomise the fuelling correctly.
Stumblingb and hesitation could come from fuel pumps / sensors or even still injectors.
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Post by MrMazda » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:04 am

panic-mechanic wrote:You don't. You start it when cold. If it does not smoke white then so far so good.
Then you drive it and see if it smokes. If not then so far so good
Then you drive it for a little bit more and feel if it stumbles or hesitates.
If not so far so good.
From there you trust and hope and that is why it is said there is some risk in buying a second hand vehicle, because some things you don't know.
I suggest you buy a zero milage diesel new from the dealer.
And even then sometimes things go wrong becuase it is a manmade thing that could go wrong.
Great information. Re your last sentence ask FMCSA they know it all with massive failures in the T6 Rangers when launched in 2012 to 2014. they claim all the engine and gearbox crap that plagued them have now been ironed out, but I still see a few new Rangers on lifts at dealers without gearboxes, "Makes you think doesn't it".

One of my clients in the coal industry is replacing his co owned 2014 132kw Amarok with new one after +200 000 km. I looked at his maintenance record and bar for 3 cambelt replacements (routine maintenance at every 70 000 odd km) nothing else was done to it. Still running original clutch and it visit mining sites daily. It's a damn side better than his previous 2012 Ranger T6, though. He did consider the new Hi Lux, but decided on the Amarok again purely based on the better ride quality.
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Post by dazza » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:21 pm

amstel18 wrote:
dazza wrote:Just bought my second Amarok...could not be happier. Looks like the fanbelt is pretty new so potentially the previous owner had this changed at some point. None the less will change cambelt, waterpump and fanbelt at 75000km's for my own sanity. Fanbelt and cambelt are basically the things you need to consider as preventative maintenance. The Amaroks have proven themselves already and I plan on driving mine until the wheels fall off or until I can afford the V6 Amarok which ever comes firstI ITCH FOR SOMETHING FASTER AGAIN
ftfy...

I also want one again. Trying to convince my wife to buy one so I can drive it over weekends. I'm enjoying my audi too much to sell for a amarok. But I ONLY want to drive my car over weekends because I hate her POS astra.
To be honest as I get older the need for speed has become less of a thing. Also after selling my previous Amarok for a faster sportier car I realized just how silly I had been. The Amarok is a do it all car, its the most functional vehicle you can have, seats 5, has load space in the back, can tow really well and because its 4motion it can do the odd beaten track. Its surprisingly nippy with the 8 speed Auto especially off the line.
I used it to Sodwana over the weekend and with 4 adults the whole back loaded and a beach buggy being towed it performed amazingly, even with other brands like the d4d and rangers sticking behind me as they were unable to overtake me on the hills!
I have another car with manual gearbox for when I want a raw driving experience.
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Post by AlexTDi » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:05 pm

dazza wrote: The Amarok is a do it all car, its the most functional vehicle you can have, seats 5, has load space in the back, can tow Alex's race car to the race track when he needs
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Post by dazza » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:33 pm

AlexTDi wrote:
dazza wrote: The Amarok is a do it all car, its the most functional vehicle you can have, seats 5, has load space in the back, can tow Alex's race car to the race track when he needs
FTFY
That's no problem but it also wont be cheap :lol:
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Post by josh 1.9TDI » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:06 pm

dazza wrote:I love the way some people say they are known for engine problems, some people like to make unfounded statements without any actual factual knowledge. Anyway, the amaroks have proven to be just as reliable as the jap cars, many guys with over 200k and 300k mileage already. Cam belt is the biggest thing to check, snapped belt will cause big repair bills so take care of that.
I agree with you rather change the cam belt just to be on the safe side of the problem

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Post by freezaburn » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:51 pm

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Post by freezaburn » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:51 pm

Reegz wrote:
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Said no one on VWClub Forum. Ever!
Now I wonder whether I should revise my current rides list?

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Post by Rourke » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:43 am

Ok guys

So its abit off topic but i think the op did get his answers

So my question is is the 2.0tdi amarok's engine the same as the 2.0tdi engines in golfs audies etc. and even the 1.9tdi?

Whats the differences in apearances /parts and also power figures?
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Post by panic-mechanic » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 pm

The same base engine is shared with what is in the golf if it is a 2l common rail yes. The 1.9 is a little different.
The outputs differ and is done by different turbos and boost levels. It is not determined by the base engine. Ie same block and head but different ancilliaries.
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Post by Rourke » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:54 am

thanks pannic

so in a nutshell same block head but most of the parts around it might differ. also like you say turbo and mapping?

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Post by Dre » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:20 pm

Can the same be said for high mileage Audi Q5 2.0 TDI s-tronic (face-lift)?

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Post by dazza » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:00 pm

Besides cambelt I see their have been isolated cases of EGR issues, cracked EGR coolers that leak coolant etc which have caused some head-aches for Amarok owners. Speaking to the tech's its not a big issue and rather isolated cases.
I have a 76mm catless DP on mine and software which really woke the thing up nicely. At some stage I will probably delete the EGR and EGR cooler completely for now I will just keep an eye on it
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Post by Dre » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:44 pm

Thx for the feedback.
Does the 130kw Q5 have the same engine ? Also, Interested to hear the OP's experience thus far.

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Post by panic-mechanic » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:29 am

Yes , same engine.
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Post by Dre » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:12 pm

Thx for the feedback guys

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Post by Gti3 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 pm

Hi Guys

Thought i'd give some feedback on the +- 10 000kms i've done with this Amarok thus far.

Overall id have to say that it is really an awesome machine! From the way it looks to the ease of moving around such a big vehicle. The vehicle was serviced when I got it at 261k, and has not asked for oil or water in the 10 000kms that I have covered. I am loving the ability to carry my family in the vehicle as well as chuck almost anything I need to in the loading bin or even tow a car as well. I've towed 2 cars of relatives and the amarok did it with absolute ease. All this whilst offering a very comfortable ride!

In terms of fuel consumption, its decent for its size - id say averaging around 10l/100km

I have also recently taken it to the Killarney 4x4 facility here in Shongweni for my 1st ever off road experience. I'm not very experienced in terms of the rough stuff but from the stuff I tried there , it managed to get through most of it of it quite easily. I was quite surprised especially considering my lack of skill/off road experience! I did however stay away from the mud as my rear tyres aren't very good.

Some of the issues I've experienced with it thus far:

1. The vehicle drives 'rough' intermittently - its hard to exactly describe, but its like some is dry or grinding. I can feel it on the steering wheel and gear lever through the rev range. it doesn't hesitate or stutter on pull away but when its running smoothly the difference is quite apparent as the the grind feeling is not there and the steering feels lighter as well as it seems a bit eager to get going. Gear changes are also smoother. The vehicle is running a tune which was done by the previous owner using ATM Chiptuning - I am trying to arrange to get some logs done to see if anything is out of the ordinary - Any ideas on this guys?

2. the tonneau cover tarp needs replacement - faded and brittle clips - I guess this is expected on a vehicle with this exposure to the sun and dry inland conditions

3. 4x4 sometimes does not engage immediately - I hardly ever use it so not an issue for me

4. Difflock was intermittently not engaging but in the last month does not seem to engage at all - the light flashes on the dash but does not stay on to signal that it has engaged successfully - any ideas on this ?

5. Need to replace the battery - I see that it still has an original VW battery in it, so taking this as part of routine maintenance for now. Looking at going with a Willard 658 100AH - any risk in doing this ?

6. the hooter sounds horrible as compared to my Golf 7 , but I can live with this. Will look at changing the horn if possible

It is now due for a service at 271k and am currently looking for a place to service it here in Durbs (beside VW). Also considering getting the fanbelt and associated pulleys changed in the coming weeks as well.

Would also like to have the tailgate wired up to the central locking so that it locks together.

Any questions or input on the above would be welcomed
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Post by Unobeat » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:57 pm

Contact the guys at TSC garage, I am sure they can assist with a service, scan and other issues or questions you have.

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Unobeat wrote:Contact the guys at TSC garage, I am sure they can assist with a service, scan and other issues or questions you have.

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Post by panic-mechanic » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:23 am

Gti3 wrote: I did however stay away from the mud as my rear tyres aren't very good. - Good. Mud are really not great for cars so always avoid it if possible.
Some of the issues I've experienced with it thus far:

1. The vehicle drives 'rough' intermittently - its hard to exactly describe, but its like some is dry or grinding. I can feel it on the steering wheel and gear lever through the rev range. it doesn't hesitate or stutter on pull away but when its running smoothly the difference is quite apparent as the the grind feeling is not there and the steering feels lighter as well as it seems a bit eager to get going. Gear changes are also smoother. The vehicle is running a tune which was done by the previous owner using ATM Chiptuning - I am trying to arrange to get some logs done to see if anything is out of the ordinary - Any ideas on this guys?
No this impoosible to even comment on without feeling it.


3. 4x4 sometimes does not engage immediately - I hardly ever use it so not an issue for me - electrically engaged via a motor so will always take a moment.

4. Difflock was intermittently not engaging but in the last month does not seem to engage at all - the light flashes on the dash but does not stay on to signal that it has engaged successfully - any ideas on this ?
These are also done via a motor. Because they are not used often they actually rust up and stops working. Either replace the motor or take it out and give it a good clean. Try to actuate it every once in a while while standing just to keep it in working shape.


5. Need to replace the battery - I see that it still has an original VW battery in it, so taking this as part of routine maintenance for now. Looking at going with a Willard 658 100AH - any risk in doing this ?
No risk

Would also like to have the tailgate wired up to the central locking so that it locks together. - i don't see the point unless you also have a locking canopy.. But it has been done. Hunt on the 4x4community in the volkswagen section. Tons of amarok info there.
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Post by Gti3 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:43 am

panic-mechanic wrote:
Gti3 wrote: I did however stay away from the mud as my rear tyres aren't very good. - Good. Mud are really not great for cars so always avoid it if possible.
Some of the issues I've experienced with it thus far:

1. The vehicle drives 'rough' intermittently - its hard to exactly describe, but its like some is dry or grinding. I can feel it on the steering wheel and gear lever through the rev range. it doesn't hesitate or stutter on pull away but when its running smoothly the difference is quite apparent as the the grind feeling is not there and the steering feels lighter as well as it seems a bit eager to get going. Gear changes are also smoother. The vehicle is running a tune which was done by the previous owner using ATM Chiptuning - I am trying to arrange to get some logs done to see if anything is out of the ordinary - Any ideas on this guys?
No this impoosible to even comment on without feeling it.


3. 4x4 sometimes does not engage immediately - I hardly ever use it so not an issue for me - electrically engaged via a motor so will always take a moment.

4. Difflock was intermittently not engaging but in the last month does not seem to engage at all - the light flashes on the dash but does not stay on to signal that it has engaged successfully - any ideas on this ?
These are also done via a motor. Because they are not used often they actually rust up and stops working. Either replace the motor or take it out and give it a good clean. Try to actuate it every once in a while while standing just to keep it in working shape.


5. Need to replace the battery - I see that it still has an original VW battery in it, so taking this as part of routine maintenance for now. Looking at going with a Willard 658 100AH - any risk in doing this ?
No risk

Would also like to have the tailgate wired up to the central locking so that it locks together. - i don't see the point unless you also have a locking canopy.. But it has been done. Hunt on the 4x4community in the volkswagen section. Tons of amarok info there.
thanks very much for the responses Panic - will give your suggestions a try, hopefully will come right.
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Post by 4ePikanini » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:37 am

Delete the EGR system and bypass the cooler. They are known to fail dumping cooling into exhaust and out the tail pipe - risking an overheating engine.

It already has a chip so a remap should be easy to shut the ECU up with the EGR delete.
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