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Hi Guys,

There are a few threads going around with guys asking for advice etc. I thought it would be easier to make one thread for future reference.

Please feel free to post your queries here, even if they seem noobish, we all started somewhere :hi:

For reference:

http://www.vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic ... 0&t=180162

http://www.vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic ... 0&t=179900
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So continuing on from the previous thread, I haven't polished or waxed my car since taking ownership earlier this year.

planning on doing this month end.

I am planning on using, clay magic, megs. ultimate compound, autoglym srp, collinite #845, apc for various areas and brushes and mf products.
tyres and shampoo will be glossworx.

any advice on other products it could use to maybe get better results with?

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My question:

Least intrusive, yet still effective way of removing light aerosol overspray.
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CCBB wrote:My question:

Least intrusive, yet still effective way of removing light aerosol overspray.
Clay should sort that out bud
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zane.mk1 wrote:So continuing on from the previous thread, I haven't polished or waxed my car since taking ownership earlier this year.

planning on doing this month end.

I am planning on using, clay magic, megs. ultimate compound, autoglym srp, collinite #845, apc for various areas and brushes and mf products.
tyres and shampoo will be glossworx.

any advice on other products it could use to maybe get better results with?

color is black magic. :hi:
ultimate compound - are you using this by hand or machine? What would you like to achieve by using this product?

I'd stay away from this on a black car, the non DAT formulation means that the particles remain one size, so it's ideal for a heavy cut, but you'd need to refine with a finer compound afterward.

If you're doing this by hand, i'd suggest skipping the compound stage and going straight to the AIO, either AF tripple or autoglym SRP.


Glossworx tyres(do you mean wheel cleaner?) - Why not invest in a better cleaner since it's your personal car?

Either :

http://www.crazydetailer.co.za/index.ph ... g1kafokem5

Or

https://autofinesse.co.za/?wpsc-product ... oncentrate

Both of these can be diluted 1:1 so you get more out of the product.
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Kyle wrote:
CCBB wrote:My question:

Least intrusive, yet still effective way of removing light aerosol overspray.
Clay should sort that out bud
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zane.mk1 wrote:So continuing on from the previous thread, I haven't polished or waxed my car since taking ownership earlier this year.

planning on doing this month end.

I am planning on using, clay magic, megs. ultimate compound, autoglym srp, collinite #845, apc for various areas and brushes and mf products.
tyres and shampoo will be glossworx.

any advice on other products it could use to maybe get better results with?

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Your plan sounds good.

I would try and wait at least 12 hours between your application of SRP and 845. In fact, you may even want to apply SRP at the end of your detail, then wait until your next wash/dry and apply collinite then. This will ensure the SRP has time to cure and the 845 doesn't actually land up removing the SRP.
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Kyle wrote:
zane.mk1 wrote:So continuing on from the previous thread, I haven't polished or waxed my car since taking ownership earlier this year.

planning on doing this month end.

I am planning on using, clay magic, megs. ultimate compound, autoglym srp, collinite #845, apc for various areas and brushes and mf products.
tyres and shampoo will be glossworx.

any advice on other products it could use to maybe get better results with?

color is black magic. :hi:
ultimate compound - are you using this by hand or machine? What would you like to achieve by using this product?

I'd stay away from this on a black car, the non DAT formulation means that the particles remain one size, so it's ideal for a heavy cut, but you'd need to refine with a finer compound afterward.

If you're doing this by hand, i'd suggest skipping the compound stage and going straight to the AIO, either AF tripple or autoglym SRP.


Glossworx tyres(do you mean wheel cleaner?) - Why not invest in a better cleaner since it's your personal car?

Either :

http://www.crazydetailer.co.za/index.ph ... g1kafokem5

Or

https://autofinesse.co.za/?wpsc-product ... oncentrate

Both of these can be diluted 1:1 so you get more out of the product.
I respectfully disagree re: the Ultimate Compound, especially as you will be working on Black Magic paint, which is on the harder side of things.... it will provide enough cut to remove some swirls, even by hand, and can always be followed up with either Ultimate Polish or an filler type product, if it did happen to leave a slightly hazy appearance, which from my own experience using it on VAG paint, it wont.
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Best product to fill swirls whilst I save for a proper detail?
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PoLonY wrote:Best product to fill swirls whilst I save for a proper detail?

That thing that everyone is using and makes them think that they are detailers...
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PoLonY wrote:Best product to fill swirls whilst I save for a proper detail?
Poorboys Blackhole or Autoglym SRP

But remember there is a limit to how much you can fill....

in this thread I did a small section of the bonnet using Blackhole, without decon or anything like that - should give you an idea of what to expect

http://vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=178193
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Oh and as a preface to any further discussions, please remember, you are asking different people for their opinions, and as such you are to expect different answers from us.

It is our OPINIONS you are asking for, so let's not turn this into a brand bashing exercise. :thumbup:
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lawrence wrote:Oh and as a preface to any further discussions, please remember, you are asking different people for their opinions, and as such you are to expect different answers from us.

It is our OPINIONS you are asking for, so let's not turn this into a brand bashing exercise. :thumbup:
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lawrence wrote:
Kyle wrote:
zane.mk1 wrote:So continuing on from the previous thread, I haven't polished or waxed my car since taking ownership earlier this year.

planning on doing this month end.

I am planning on using, clay magic, megs. ultimate compound, autoglym srp, collinite #845, apc for various areas and brushes and mf products.
tyres and shampoo will be glossworx.

any advice on other products it could use to maybe get better results with?

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ultimate compound - are you using this by hand or machine? What would you like to achieve by using this product?

I'd stay away from this on a black car, the non DAT formulation means that the particles remain one size, so it's ideal for a heavy cut, but you'd need to refine with a finer compound afterward.

If you're doing this by hand, i'd suggest skipping the compound stage and going straight to the AIO, either AF tripple or autoglym SRP.


Glossworx tyres(do you mean wheel cleaner?) - Why not invest in a better cleaner since it's your personal car?

Either :

http://www.crazydetailer.co.za/index.ph ... g1kafokem5

Or

https://autofinesse.co.za/?wpsc-product ... oncentrate

Both of these can be diluted 1:1 so you get more out of the product.
I respectfully disagree re: the Ultimate Compound, especially as you will be working on Black Magic paint, which is on the harder side of things.... it will provide enough cut to remove some swirls, even by hand, and can always be followed up with either Ultimate Polish or an filler type product, if it did happen to leave a slightly hazy appearance, which from my own experience using it on VAG paint, it wont.
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lawrence wrote:
PoLonY wrote:Best product to fill swirls whilst I save for a proper detail?
Poorboys Blackhole or Autoglym SRP

But remember there is a limit to how much you can fill....

in this thread I did a small section of the bonnet using Blackhole, without decon or anything like that - should give you an idea of what to expect

http://vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=178193
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Awesome thread. I have just taken delivery of an old school MK1, car has been sprayed the original colour a year back I think and is in really good nick apart from an NF paint run/stain below the fuel cap which I'm told can never be removed. I intend detailing it this weekend (apart from stripping the gearbox, thread in technical). The paint being really good apart from the mentioned octane booster stain and mild swirls, I was thinking either:

Menzerna SF4000
Menzerna Power Protect Ultra
Meguiars Cleaner Wax
Meguiars Ultimate Polish
Auto Finesse Tripple
Poor Boys White Diamond Glaze
Auto Glym Super Resin Polish(SRP)

As any of the above is not too abrasive and seal it with Soft 99 King of Gloss White.


Apart from the wash with Maxi Suds 2 and the Auto Magic clay kit prior to polishing, which of the above products and steps would be advisable?
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lawrence wrote:
PoLonY wrote:Best product to fill swirls whilst I save for a proper detail?
Poorboys Blackhole or Autoglym SRP

But remember there is a limit to how much you can fill....

in this thread I did a small section of the bonnet using Blackhole, without decon or anything like that - should give you an idea of what to expect

http://vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=178193
Yeah i know there is a limit, I will have a full correction done.

My car is red so the Blackhole is correct right?

Edit, nevermind read the description and pics :thumbup:
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Here is a before and after with auto finesse tripple applied via a DA polisher.

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Zubair wrote:Awesome thread. I have just taken delivery of an old school MK1, car has been sprayed the original colour a year back i think and is in really good nick apart from an NF paint run/stain below the fuel cap which I'm told can never be removed. I intend detailing it this weekend (apart from stripping the gearbox, thread in technical). The paint being really good apart from the mentioned octane booster stain and mild swirls, I was thinking either:

Menzerna SF4000
Menzerna Power Protect Ultra
Meguiars Cleaner Wax
Meguiars Ultimate Polish
Auto Finesse Tripple
Poor Boys White Diamond Glaze
Auto Glym Super Resin Polish(SRP)

As any of the above is not too abrasive and seal it ith Soft 99 King of Gloss White.


Apart from the wash with Maxi Suds 2 and the Auto Magic clay kit prior to polishing, which of the above products and steps would be advisable?
Questions like this are very difficult to answer because a) we do not know how much paint is on the car b) of the paint that is on the car, what sort of job did the painter do - are there sanding marks that are ruining the finish, are there deep holograms etc etc c) are you trying to achieve your end result as quickly as possible (i.e. least amount of time invested) or as cheaply as possible.

You see.... there are so many variables because every situation is different.

It is why conducting test spots - i.e. testing various product/processes on small section and inspecting the results until you find one that meets your needs - is so important. Once you are happy with your test spot, you proceed with the rest of the car.

Judging by the products you listed I assume the car is white.

In which case I *guess Megs cleaner wax on a orange pad followed by SRP would be a good option. The cleaner wax has more abrasives so should remove more swirls than the rest..... and the SRP will help fill the remaining ones and add some gloss. Of course, it may well be that one of the other AIO's work better.... It is just impossible to know what THAT SPECIFIC PAINT will respond to, especially as it is a re-spray (these are subjected to much less stringent quality control measures and so the way it responds to correction varies widely from car to car).

I know its not the direct answer that you are looking for.....
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Kyle, respectfully, every product I have read up on or used has great befores and afters, for eg. Mike Phillips tested Menz PP Ultra with some great befores and afters so has AF Tripple, AG SRP etc. I have invested greatly the past few months on product (my wallet testifies to this), but I want something more concrete or specefic to my old school single stage paint. Megs #7 Glaze/ Deep Crystal polish is awesome for this, but this paint being fairly new and good I don't see it as a necessary step. I'm looking more at which of the products mentioned is best suited to firstly address light swirls, then clean( paint is clean), then seal with shine. Apologies as I took it for granted you were addressing me. I need the steps specefic to this car, I don't want to test spot as I become psycho OCD when I start with test spots and nest thing you know its Monday morning.
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Zubair wrote:Kyle, respectfully, every product I have read up on or used has great befores and afters, for eg. Mike Phillips tested Menz PP Ultra with some great befores and afters so has AF Tripple, AG SRP etc. I have invested greatly the past few months on product (my wallet testifies to this), but I want something more concrete or specefic to my old school single stage paint. Megs #7 Glaze/ Deep Crystal polish is awesome for this, but this paint being fairly new and good I don't see it as a necessary step. I'm looking more at which of the products mentioned is best suited to firstly address light swirls, then clean( paint is clean), then seal with shine. Apologies as I took it for granted you were addressing me. I need the steps specefic to this car, I don't want to test spot as I become psycho OCD when I start with test spots and nest thing you know its Monday morning.
:lol: I know the feeling, but that was not specifically aimed at you, just a demonstration of what the product is capable of :hi:

But it's really awesome on white paint as well, and not knowing the hardness of your paint, in my opinion something in the AIO range would be less risky for you.
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Zubair, I may have missed it, but are you sure the paint is still the original single stage paint? If so, I would strongly recommend using Meguiars #7 before you do any type of polishing. Also, if it is still the OEM paint, I would hazard a guess that it is already THIN in which case I would NOT polish before I had the chance to measure the thickness first.

Or is it that it was recently re-sprayed the same color, but with a more modern type of paint.
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lawrence wrote:[Questions like this are very difficult to answer because a) we do not know how much paint is on the car b) of the paint that is on the car, what sort of job did the painter do - are there sanding marks that are ruining the finish, are there deep holograms etc etc c) are you trying to achieve your end result as quickly as possible (i.e. least amount of time invested) or as cheaply as possible.

You see.... there are so many variables because every situation is different.

It is why conducting test spots - i.e. testing various product/processes on small section and inspecting the results until you find one that meets your needs - is so important. Once you are happy with your test spot, you proceed with the rest of the car.

Judging by the products you listed I assume the car is white.

In which case I *guess Megs cleaner wax on a orange pad followed by SRP would be a good option. The cleaner wax has more abrasives so should remove more swirls than the rest..... and the SRP will help fill the remaining ones and add some gloss. Of course, it may well be that one of the other AIO's work better.... It is just impossible to know what THAT SPECIFIC PAINT will respond to, especially as it is a re-spray (these are subjected to much less stringent quality control measures and so the way it responds to correction varies widely from car to car).

I know its not the direct answer that you are looking for.....
Lawrence, I kinda expected the middle ground answer here, again with respect (typing/text come out harsher than were it said in person). Test spots for me turn into an excursion of perfection and I tend studing the products and finishes they leave under varying light and angles obsessively, I don't have time this weekend because I am psycho like that and have gearbox issues to invest time in as well, apart from the MRS. Okay onto the products you selected, the Megs Cleaner wax is a mild polish/cleaner and wax, won't the SRP clean the finish left by the cleaner wax, as in remove the wax/fillers etc making the cleaner wax a redundant step? I'm not making a statement but genuinely asking a question. I am multi taking, crazy busy with work and I know how sensitive detailers here are so apologies in advance if I offended anyone with countering argument.
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lawrence wrote:Zubair, I may have missed it, but are you sure the paint is still the original single stage paint? If so, I would strongly recommend using Meguiars #7 before you do any type of polishing. Also, if it is still the OEM paint, I would hazard a guess that it is already THIN in which case I would NOT polish before I had the chance to measure the thickness first.

Or is it that it was recently re-sprayed the same color, but with a more modern type of paint.
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Re: The detailing advice thread

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What exactly is "Glaze"? Dealership says my car has been glazed and I have to use the special shampoo for about two months :sad: so no Meguiars...

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