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Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby Dietermk4 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:08 pm

Hello all :hi:

Below is some information on the Ceramic Nano-Technology coating that we offer.

Ceramic Pro 9H - 3D Ceramic Molecular Matrix Structure Protective Coating. Complete Ceramic Nanotechnology Protective Coating on All Automotive Surfaces.

Advanced Nano-Ceramic Protective Coatings:
The Ceramic Pro range are formulated by a qualified chemist with a high level of experience in the industrial protective coating field, Ceramic Pro has been specifically formulated for Automotive substrates and is always undergoing extensive testing for new and improved versions to take the coating industry to new levels.

Ceramic Pro are trusted by Carlsson, and also ecurie25 in Australia to protect their $8+ million dollar Exotic Supercar Collection.

Permanent protection:
Ceramic Pro is not a paint protection wax or sealant that will wash away or break down over time. It is a nano-ceramic coating that forms a permanent adhesion to the paint and can only be removed through abrasion. No chemical can dissolve the coating.

Hardness above 9H:
When the coat hardens it creates a surface that can withstand stone chips and all sorts of light scratches. The glass coat is above 9H on the Pencil scale. This scale is used in the coating industry to determine a mineral`s hardness, 9H is the highest on the scale. The coat will stay hard for a lifetime if maintained correctly.

Chemical Resistance:
The coating has a 100% resistance against the damaging contaminants and harsh chemicals that a car can be exposed to. Since chemicals do not affect the coating, the car will stay protected.

Oxidation and Corrosion Resistant:
Bare metal and painted surfaces will not oxidize. Ceramic Pro´s protective coat protects the paint and the metal from oxidation.

Temperature Resistance:
The coat will not be effected under 750 degrees Celsius on painted surfaces, 1400 degrees Celsius on rims and calipers.

UV protection:
Silkoxid which is used in sun block is also used in Ceramic Pro’s products. The UV protecting keeps the paint, rubber and plastic from aging and/or fading.

Super Gloss:
The shine from this product is not comparable to any other product on the market. It has to be seen in real life up close and personal.

Super Hydrophobic:
When you talk about surfaces being hydrophobic you often talk about the water contact angle of the surface. The higher angle the less dirt or liquid will attach to the surface. A drive in the rain will make the car look newly washed. This hydrophobic effect will last a lifetime if maintained correctly.

OFFICIAL COATING TEST

Gloss Level - High (depends on substrate)
Viscosity #2 Zahn Cup -12~ 14 seconds
5% Salt Spray (ASTM B117) - 350 hrs
Pencil Hardness (JIS 5400) - Above 9H
Adhesion Cross-Cut Tape (ASTM D3359) - 5b (no coating loss)
Mandrel Bend (ASTM D522) - 0 mm coating loss at 180° rotation
Impact (ASTM D2794) - 80/80 inch-lbs

Ceramic PRO 9H series is compliant with the Europe REACH program, Ceramic Pro 9H is not harmful to the environment or human health.

Ceramic Pro has been officially tested and certified by “SGS”. SGS (http://www.sgs.com) are the world’s largest and leading inspection, verification, testing and certification company trusted by millions
Ceramic Pro is constantly tested to ensure it meets the highest standards.

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Ceramic Pro SA Daytona
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SDB Car Wash & Valet Services
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RaceChip South Africa
J&K Customs " Let's transform your ride"
Dutchman's Car Care Clinic
Bombshell Detailing Garage
Twelve21 Tuning
@blackpearlmasterdetailing
Ceramic Pro Moçambique

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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby Lambchop » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:06 pm

Withstand stone chips?
So no need for VPS and the likes?

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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby Dietermk4 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:42 pm

Lambchop wrote:Withstand stone chips?
So no need for VPS and the likes?


We cannot Guarantee that you will have absolutely no stone chips (100% protection), however it most definitely does reduce the chances of stone chips occurring, but then again the same thing can be said about film, however we have clients that have told us they prefer our coating to Vehicle protection film as the surface remains silky smooth to the film's orange-peel-ish finish. Also the dreaded Yellowing that may occur with film does not occur with Ceramic Pro.

From a costing perspective, Film's range anywhere from R10 000-R20 000 to be applied on prominently the front end of a vehicle, where as our packages start from just R4500 for the ENTIRE exterior body of the vehicle. (more to come from Ceramic Pro Packages and breakdowns thereof)
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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby Abnormal » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:12 pm

Dietermk4 wrote:
Hardness above 9H:
When the coat hardens it creates a surface that can withstand stone chips and all sorts of light scratches. The glass coat is above 9H on the Mohs scale. This scale is used in the coating industry to determine a mineral`s hardness, 9H is the highest on the scale. The coat will stay hard for a lifetime if maintained correctly.

OFFICIAL COATING TEST

Gloss Level - High (depends on substrate)
Viscosity #2 Zahn Cup -12~ 14 seconds
5% Salt Spray (ASTM B117) - 350 hrs
Pencil Hardness (JIS 5400) - Above 9H
Adhesion Cross-Cut Tape (ASTM D3359) - 5b (no coating loss)
Mandrel Bend (ASTM D522) - 0 mm coating loss at 180° rotation
Impact (ASTM D2794) - 80/80 inch-lbs


9H on the mohs scale or pencil hardness?
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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby lawrence » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:54 am

Abnormal wrote:
Dietermk4 wrote:
Hardness above 9H:
When the coat hardens it creates a surface that can withstand stone chips and all sorts of light scratches. The glass coat is above 9H on the Mohs scale. This scale is used in the coating industry to determine a mineral`s hardness, 9H is the highest on the scale. The coat will stay hard for a lifetime if maintained correctly.

OFFICIAL COATING TEST

Gloss Level - High (depends on substrate)
Viscosity #2 Zahn Cup -12~ 14 seconds
5% Salt Spray (ASTM B117) - 350 hrs
Pencil Hardness (JIS 5400) - Above 9H
Adhesion Cross-Cut Tape (ASTM D3359) - 5b (no coating loss)
Mandrel Bend (ASTM D522) - 0 mm coating loss at 180° rotation
Impact (ASTM D2794) - 80/80 inch-lbs


9H on the mohs scale or pencil hardness?


Definitely the pencil hardness test according to the certificate found here http://www.ceramicpro.co.za/assets/hardneesbypencile1000.pdf

If it were on the MOHS scale it would make the coating harder than diamonds and therefore impossible to polish/remove, which is obviously not the case.

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Postby Kirshenp » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:13 am

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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby [email protected] » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:37 am

Kirshenp wrote:Really wanna get this done!

+1

I am sure it will also depend on the state of the paintwork of the car as well?
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Postby Ahmed.Syed » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:35 am

[email protected] wrote:
Kirshenp wrote:Really wanna get this done!

+1

I am sure it will also depend on the state of the paintwork of the car as well?


The vehicle will have to go through the detailing process as normal to get the surface 1.hundred and two zeros cleaned, decontaminated and blemish free (Rids, Swirls, etching etc) before application of the coating.

I'm sure you can locate a trusted Detailer within your respective area.

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Postby PoLonY » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:14 am

Ahmed.Syed wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
Kirshenp wrote:Really wanna get this done!

+1

I am sure it will also depend on the state of the paintwork of the car as well?


The vehicle will have to go through the detailing process as normal to get the surface 1.hundred and two zeros cleaned, decontaminated and blemish free (Rids, Swirls, etching etc) before application of the coating.

I'm sure you can locate a trusted Detailer within your respective area.

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KZN - Dbn - Lawrence (Master Splinter)
KZN - Midlands - Myself

Ahmed - Over n Out :hi:


Ceramic Pro dealers will do a paint correction as part of the coating process

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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby Dietermk4 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:33 am

PoLonY wrote:
Ahmed.Syed wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
Kirshenp wrote:Really wanna get this done!

+1

I am sure it will also depend on the state of the paintwork of the car as well?


The vehicle will have to go through the detailing process as normal to get the surface 1.hundred and two zeros cleaned, decontaminated and blemish free (Rids, Swirls, etching etc) before application of the coating.

I'm sure you can locate a trusted Detailer within your respective area.

Cpt - Mikhail
Gauteng - Gaven, Lambchop, etc (you can browse the posts on the detailing side to get an idea of who would suit you)
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KZN - Midlands - Myself

Ahmed - Over n Out :hi:


Ceramic Pro dealers will do a paint correction as part of the coating process

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You are 100% correct. Ceramic Pro will do full paint decontamination and paint correction before we apply our coating to any car. We cannot promote a great looking car due to the coating if the paintwork is not up to scratch....

I will be uploading the test reports of the Pencil test, which was performed after 1 layer, however I also have a test report for multi-layered applications on the mohs scale.
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Postby [email protected] » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:36 am

Ahh, it makes sense then. Would that be a separate cost towards the client before the ceramic coating?

Just trying to ensure that we all understand all costs involved.

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Postby Dietermk4 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:42 am

[email protected] wrote:Ahh, it makes sense then. Would that be a separate cost towards the client before the ceramic coating?

Just trying to ensure that we all understand all costs involved.

Very keen on this.

I will be loading package information ASAP, however costing would be complete packages, no separate costs.

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Postby [email protected] » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:44 am

Dietermk4 wrote:
[email protected] wrote:Ahh, it makes sense then. Would that be a separate cost towards the client before the ceramic coating?

Just trying to ensure that we all understand all costs involved.

Very keen on this.

I will be loading package information ASAP, however costing would be complete packages, no separate costs.

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Postby DangerBoy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:50 am

[email protected] wrote:
Dietermk4 wrote:
[email protected] wrote:Ahh, it makes sense then. Would that be a separate cost towards the client before the ceramic coating?

Just trying to ensure that we all understand all costs involved.

Very keen on this.

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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby VAG Fan » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:33 pm

Being a PhD-qualified chemist myself (not in the field of protective coatings, although I've worked with them before) I would really like to see a comparison with the pencil hardness of normal OEM automotive coatings. The question, to me, is how much additional hardness is achieved through this extra coating.

I would also like to see some demonstration that "no chemical" (!!!) can dissolve the coating. That is quite a tall statement to make. There are many chemicals around, some of them are real nasties...

The base and acid used in the test sheet are still moderately mild dilutions. I would not be surprised if an intact OEM coating can also withstand them for one day.

The statement "The glass coat is above 9H on the Mohs scale" should also be corrected, urgently. It is misleading. I don't see a 9H pencil scratching topaz or corundum. That would mean you can blunt your sandpaper grit using a 9H pencil, and that the coating being punted here, cannot be sanded down.

I would also like to see the coating remain un"effected" (probably meant to read: unaffected) at 1400°C. The ceramic nanoparticles may survive, but the binder/matrix? Somehow I have my doubts.

I hadn't heard of SGS as being "the world’s largest and leading inspection, verification, testing and certification company trusted by millions" either, but in all fairness that may be a gap in my education.

Look, I'm not trying to diss the OP or the product; just voicing healthy scepticism on the claims made, and stating the need for accurate information. (Especially "starting" at 4500 bucks.) Take it, leave it, you know...
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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby Dietermk4 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:45 pm

VAG Fan wrote:Being a PhD-qualified chemist myself (not in the field of protective coatings, although I've worked with them before) I would really like to see a comparison with the pencil hardness of normal OEM automotive coatings. The question, to me, is how much additional hardness is achieved through this extra coating.


The average clear coat from what i understand has a hardness of between 2h and 5h on the pencil scale. If your car your clear coat hardness is 3h, our coating would sit on the surface giving it an additional hardness above 9h, that does not mean though that your clear coat becomes harder, just means there is a coating about it that is harder than whats below.

Also, if we add on 9 layers of our 9H product, once cured, it does not mean you have the hardness of a diamond, all it means is that there are 9 layers of protection against scratches. if you were to scratch it with a material double its Hardness on the Mohs scale, you would scratch through 2 layers of protection, leaving 7 layers untouched.

I would also like to see the coating remain un"effected" (probably meant to read: unaffected) at 1400°C. The ceramic nanoparticles may survive, but the binder/matrix? Somehow I have my doubts.


I have some videos of a bonnet being set alight, after which there is no damage whatsoever to the paint. Will try upload those asap.

I have to stress the fact that we are not claiming scratch proof, but rather scratch resistance, meaning the coating will get scratched, but rather the coating as apposed to your clear coat. Think of it as a sacrificial layer. Also, our coating has self-healing properties. If you go over the panel with a heat gun, most of the scratches self-heal.

If you were to polish a car once a year, how many years would it take to polish right through the clear coat? Clear coats can be anywhere from 80 microns upwards. However if the coating is applied, we can "self heal" as apposed to just re polishing and diminishing the paints clear coat more.

The next point i need to stress if no other was or liquid sealant can do what our product can in terms of scratch resistance, chemical resistance, anti-watermarks etc. All other waxes and sealants need to be reapplied after 6 or 12 months at an additional cost.

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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby VAG Fan » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:50 pm

Thanks, Dieter, looking forward to those videos... :smile:
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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby lawrence » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:51 pm

Dieter, I may have missed it, but can you confirm how many microns are added per layer of coating?

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Re: Why Ceramic Pro Paint Protection Coatings?

Postby Dietermk4 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:50 pm

Some Random 50/50 Shots of exterior plastics coated with our Ceramic Pro Plastics Product vs uncoated plastic.

This Coating ensures the plastics stay Black and retain its rich contrast, while minimizing UV fading and providing a super hydrophobic ability.

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left coated, right uncoated

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