Want to go boosted
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Re: Want to go boosted
Want a vr6t. buy this:
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Re: Want to go boosted
Yes it's already broken so you can start spending cash right away.
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Re: Want to go boosted
only true if you don't learn your lesson like 3 timesIf the aim is to burn tons of cash then vr6t is definitely better than any of the other options.
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1992 Toyota Conquest RSI
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1980 Opel Kadette 1.3
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1996 VW Golf VR6-T 300Whp - Panic Mechanic built and tuned
1992 VW Golf 2 2.0 GTI 16v Executive
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Re: Want to go boosted
So I'm now ready to buy my new lump ...so the question is .. Abf vs 20vt ..which is an easiest conversion? Not really prince but with fab work and conversion .the prices for these engines are vary only a few 100 bux .thank you guys for all the feedback I really appreciate the feed back you provide .
..is the vr engine good for anything else beside exhaust note ?
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..is the vr engine good for anything else beside exhaust note ?
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Re: Want to go boosted
20vt is an "out of the box" solution
You would still need to buy turbo and auxilary parts and do plumbing and drop compression ratios on the 16V before it can be boosted
You would still need to buy turbo and auxilary parts and do plumbing and drop compression ratios on the 16V before it can be boosted
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Re: Want to go boosted
Absolutely bud, it makes a beautiful coffee table, great counterweight, i mean what kind of question was that..is the vr engine good for anything else beside exhaust note ?
jokes aside, it really is a bulletproof motor... if it has been chooned correctly by Panic Mechanic
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2012 Audi RS3
2000 Honda Civic Vtec - NA 168Whp - Panic Mechanic tuned
1996 VW Golf VR6-T 300Whp - Panic Mechanic built and tuned
1992 VW Golf 2 2.0 GTI 16v Executive
1989 VW Golf 2 1.8 GTI 16v Executive
1992 Toyota Conquest RSI
1981 Ford Granada 3.0
1980 Opel Kadette 1.3
2021 Audi RS3 Sportback
2009 Honda Type R Championship Edition - Standard for now
2008 VW Golf R32
1996 VW Golf VR6-T 2-Door Highline 315Whp - Panic Mechanic tuned
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2012 Audi RS3
2000 Honda Civic Vtec - NA 168Whp - Panic Mechanic tuned
1996 VW Golf VR6-T 300Whp - Panic Mechanic built and tuned
1992 VW Golf 2 2.0 GTI 16v Executive
1989 VW Golf 2 1.8 GTI 16v Executive
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Re: Want to go boosted
Yours, is one of the few cars on this forum I envy.mk3vr6golf wrote:Absolutely bud, it makes a beautiful coffee table, great counterweight, i mean what kind of question was that..is the vr engine good for anything else beside exhaust note ?
jokes aside, it really is a bulletproof motor... if it has been chooned correctly by Panic Mechanic
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Current : 1988 VW Corrado
Ex : 1984 VW Jetta GLS 1.6 Automatic
Ex : 1990 VW Golf CSL 1.6
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Ex : 1995 VW Caddy 2.0 8v
Ex : 1996 VW Golf 3 GTS 1.8i
Ex : 1995 VW Golf 3 GTI
Ex : 1993 VW Chico 1.3
Current : 1988 VW Corrado
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Re: Want to go boosted
Thanks Marz, such kind wordsYours, is one of the few cars on this forum I envy.
Current rides:
2021 Audi RS3 Sportback
2009 Honda Type R Championship Edition - Standard for now
2008 VW Golf R32
1996 VW Golf VR6-T 2-Door Highline 315Whp - Panic Mechanic tuned
Ex-Rides :
2012 Audi RS3
2000 Honda Civic Vtec - NA 168Whp - Panic Mechanic tuned
1996 VW Golf VR6-T 300Whp - Panic Mechanic built and tuned
1992 VW Golf 2 2.0 GTI 16v Executive
1989 VW Golf 2 1.8 GTI 16v Executive
1992 Toyota Conquest RSI
1981 Ford Granada 3.0
1980 Opel Kadette 1.3
2021 Audi RS3 Sportback
2009 Honda Type R Championship Edition - Standard for now
2008 VW Golf R32
1996 VW Golf VR6-T 2-Door Highline 315Whp - Panic Mechanic tuned
Ex-Rides :
2012 Audi RS3
2000 Honda Civic Vtec - NA 168Whp - Panic Mechanic tuned
1996 VW Golf VR6-T 300Whp - Panic Mechanic built and tuned
1992 VW Golf 2 2.0 GTI 16v Executive
1989 VW Golf 2 1.8 GTI 16v Executive
1992 Toyota Conquest RSI
1981 Ford Granada 3.0
1980 Opel Kadette 1.3
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Re: Want to go boosted
Buying an ABF is by far the MOST expensive way to build a 16vt motor.
The cheapest way is to buy a longblock 8v bottom end , a 16v head and putting that together.
So between the 2 the 20vt is the cheapest by a long shot.
The cheapest way is to buy a longblock 8v bottom end , a 16v head and putting that together.
So between the 2 the 20vt is the cheapest by a long shot.
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Re: Want to go boosted
OK the best option for me is the 20vt .thank you for clearing that up for me panic .
Next question , will my normal gearbox be a straight fit or a different gearbox be needed ?
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Next question , will my normal gearbox be a straight fit or a different gearbox be needed ?
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Re: Want to go boosted
Stock box straight bolt on.
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Re: Want to go boosted
A mate just went through the same exercise.
MK1 in reasonable condition 45K.
AEG 1.8T 20V And he did lots of the labor himself he still parted with 40K. Stock turbo and bigger injectors with basic plumbing gave him 125WKW.
So now he has a GT26 or 28 AR60 (I think) with decent plumbing and a new digital HKS management for another 15K and he got 191KW at 1.1 bar with 347nm. He built it as a toy and did a lot of stuff himself like rebuild gearbox and fit button clutch etc. Before he wiped his eyes 120K gone. . .
MK1 in reasonable condition 45K.
AEG 1.8T 20V And he did lots of the labor himself he still parted with 40K. Stock turbo and bigger injectors with basic plumbing gave him 125WKW.
So now he has a GT26 or 28 AR60 (I think) with decent plumbing and a new digital HKS management for another 15K and he got 191KW at 1.1 bar with 347nm. He built it as a toy and did a lot of stuff himself like rebuild gearbox and fit button clutch etc. Before he wiped his eyes 120K gone. . .
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Re: Want to go boosted
Is this conversion any harder to do on a mk3 ? Opposed to a mk1 ? The reason I ask is that I'm not sure of the amount of fabrication work needed for engine mounts ?I seen a mk1 conversion (did look do-able for my nearby resources)
I have called a few places for a drive in drive out package .the price then scared me on the complexity of a task like this.
If 180wkw is possible without doing internals I should be happy till budget allows for better bits .
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I have called a few places for a drive in drive out package .the price then scared me on the complexity of a task like this.
If 180wkw is possible without doing internals I should be happy till budget allows for better bits .
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Re: Want to go boosted
There is no fabrication to install the engine. It drops in. Fabrication needed fo exhaust and intake and boost pipes. No more difficult to do than in a mk1.
I cannot comment on power levels duento durban etc. but really the limiting factor is the high cr and our iffy petrol.
That Is what I told you from the start. Unless you can do 90% diy your budget is way way way short.
I cannot comment on power levels duento durban etc. but really the limiting factor is the high cr and our iffy petrol.
That Is what I told you from the start. Unless you can do 90% diy your budget is way way way short.
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Re: Want to go boosted
Agreed , my intended budget would have fell short of my expectations. Thank you panic for all the advice you have provided .
Now to figure out where to start...
Do I buy parts that I can fit and use now and wait for engine .
Eg
Fpr
Hpfp
Dictator 60-2
Piping
OR should he engine be priority ?
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Now to figure out where to start...
Do I buy parts that I can fit and use now and wait for engine .
Eg
Fpr
Hpfp
Dictator 60-2
Piping
OR should he engine be priority ?
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Re: Want to go boosted
Ok what is the base car. Isn't it already injection?. If you are buying a complete 20vt then there is already a FPR on the fuel rail. HPFP is something you find in TFSI engines
You just need a regular injection pump.
You just need a regular injection pump.
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Re: Want to go boosted
The base car is my mk3 . I will be buying a complete engine .
Thanks for that panic . I was told my gearbox will not manage with the torque output of this engine . I currently have a AUG gearbox .should I be concerned or is this information misleading ?
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Thanks for that panic . I was told my gearbox will not manage with the torque output of this engine . I currently have a AUG gearbox .should I be concerned or is this information misleading ?
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Re: Want to go boosted
Grrr I know the base car is a mk3. Is it carb or injection ie. Does it have fuel injection tank and pump or not.
The aug will handle 400hp if used correctly. People that tell you they can't handle a little 1.8t in semi stock form have no clue what thet are talking about or is just trying to run your bill up by fitting stuff you don't need. A 210 mm clutch with 1.8 16v pressure plate will also hold that power comfortably. Again i had that exact same setup for years in a mk3. Stock box that came with the 1600 engine but I upgraded the brakes.
The aug will handle 400hp if used correctly. People that tell you they can't handle a little 1.8t in semi stock form have no clue what thet are talking about or is just trying to run your bill up by fitting stuff you don't need. A 210 mm clutch with 1.8 16v pressure plate will also hold that power comfortably. Again i had that exact same setup for years in a mk3. Stock box that came with the 1600 engine but I upgraded the brakes.
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Re: Want to go boosted
The car was carb ,but now fi .I didn't change the tank (no sure how my mac got it to work )
But I'm guessing it's a 3 bar fuel pump that was used .Bosch 3 bar
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But I'm guessing it's a 3 bar fuel pump that was used .Bosch 3 bar
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Re: Want to go boosted
Ok. Then in theory you don't even need a pump. There is no such thing as a 3 bar pump. A pump supllies flow. Pressure is a function of resistance to flow which is what is provided by the fuel pressure regulator.
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Re: Want to go boosted
Thanks panic .I try and understand what the mac tells me . I may misunderstand at times . Will my standard cv and suspension have to be modified ?
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Re: Want to go boosted
no.
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Re: Want to go boosted
Boet, not to sound like too much of a ****, but with all the questions you asking and the need for a mechanic to help you van die val af in die sloot... I do not think you should be trying to build a turbo car... maybe take your r30 grand you have saved up, sell your current car, and look for a g4 gti or a polo gti for what you have then...
I know its fun building a car, but then you need to be doing a lot of it yourself.
I have a friend that likes cars and modifying, but because he doesnt know how to changea spark plugor do an oil change without a mechanic. He got ripped off so badly, spending and replacing stuff unnecessarily, he just gave up in the end...
Im not saying give up, but also try and understand that you need to be able to sort things yourself, and also have lots of mechanical sympathy...
I think what panic is trying to get to is that your AUG box will be fine, just dont rape it all day everyday... a turbo charged car places some extra strain on all components, so just treat it with respect and it will last...
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I know its fun building a car, but then you need to be doing a lot of it yourself.
I have a friend that likes cars and modifying, but because he doesnt know how to changea spark plugor do an oil change without a mechanic. He got ripped off so badly, spending and replacing stuff unnecessarily, he just gave up in the end...
Im not saying give up, but also try and understand that you need to be able to sort things yourself, and also have lots of mechanical sympathy...
I think what panic is trying to get to is that your AUG box will be fine, just dont rape it all day everyday... a turbo charged car places some extra strain on all components, so just treat it with respect and it will last...
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91 Caddy, ADY motor on mp9, wildcat 4-1 branch and 50mm Evolution s/s exhaust
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Re: Want to go boosted
agree 100%. dont build what you can buy. clean mk4 gti over a converted mk3 everyday.
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Re: Want to go boosted
"But there's something about a *mk3* ...that calms me down , ya know"missioner wrote:agree 100%. dont build what you can buy. clean mk4 gti over a converted mk3 everyday.
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