2.0 16v abf

[Chrisi010110]

Hey Guys ...just a question any rough figures on a vw citi with a standard 16v abf lets say just management system done to it??

[Citi 007]

where about are you based?

my citi did 130hp on a stock abf with management on Panics dyno

[Chrisi010110]

Boksburg area and thanks for the reply bud

[Neuk]

There was a member who had an otherwise stock ABF in a MkII Golf a few years back with an exhaust and engine management and he used to make around 130hp ATW on the old KAR dyno.

[Chrisi010110]

Thanks guys ...these figures are lower than i expected ..is it really worth it spending more money to buy an abf over an 8v?

[ICE King]

Figures are lower due to high veld.at the coast the ABF's are doing +-130kw ATF with exhaust and management and is no slouch robot to robot.

basically every 8 valve on this forum eventually went 16valve , to answer your question Yes unless you decide to turbo which is going to cost a proper penny to do it properly.

[Chrisi010110]

Ok thanks bud ....but still i hear guys here in jnb and boksburg area are doing 110kw and up thats why I cant understand these low figures ...I know it's highveld but can it really impact the figures that much... i mean losing almost 20 to 30 kw due to highveld cant make sense

[smashedmink]

Keep in mind no two dyno's are the same and some are super lenient while others are super stingy.
I've seen some guys claim 130kw atw from an 8v while I've seen stronger 8v's only get 98kw atw.


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[Neuk]

Ok thanks bud ....but still i hear guys here in jnb and boksburg area are doing 110kw and up thats why I cant understand these low figures ...I know it's highveld but can it really impact the figures that much... i mean losing almost 20 to 30 kw due to highveld cant make sense

It makes perfect sense considering the roughly 17% lower air pressure on the Highveld compared to sea level.

[ICE King]

Ok thanks bud ....but still i hear guys here in jnb and boksburg area are doing 110kw and up thats why I cant understand these low figures ...I know it's highveld but can it really impact the figures that much... i mean losing almost 20 to 30 kw due to highveld cant make sense

It makes perfect sense considering the roughly 17% lower air pressure on the Highveld compared to sea level.

There are too many factors and like previously stated it's not about the numbers , Numbers are for gangsters.

[Chrisi010110]

I will look into it when the time comes to buy the motor

[Neuk]

I will look into it when the time comes to buy the motor

What is it that you are looking for? We can then suggest a route for you to get there as there are many options using different VW engines.

[Chrisi010110]

I was looking at the abf thats why I wanted figures on it....reason being i like that it revs abit higer and i hear great things of the motor so if not the abf then what would you recommend

[Neuk]

I was looking at the abf thats why I wanted figures on it....reason being i like that it revs abit higer and i hear great things of the motor so if not the abf then what would you recommend

If you are sticking to N/A, then either the 1.8 16v KR motor or the 2.0 16v ABF motor would be my choices.

[Chrisi010110]

Ok thanks for all the replys the 2.0 abf is my choice like i said just wanted some figures

[Hermz16v]

I was looking at the abf thats why I wanted figures on it....reason being i like that it revs abit higer and i hear great things of the motor so if not the abf then what would you recommend

If you are sticking to N/A, then either the 1.8 16v KR motor or the 2.0 16v ABF motor would be my choices.

Hey guys what is the advantages and drawbacks of going KR over ABF?

[Chrisi010110]

As far as i know kr is mechanicaly injected and its a 1.8

[Citi 007]

Ok thanks bud ....but still i hear guys here in jnb and boksburg area are doing 110kw and up thats why I cant understand these low figures ...I know it's highveld but can it really impact the figures that much... i mean losing almost 20 to 30 kw due to highveld cant make sense

on the same dyno as mine was dynod the std 2.0 8v in a citi with management makes roughly 95 odd hp

so compare apples with apples these dynos with 110kw ATW 2.08v what are the ABFs making?

[Citi 007]

with regards to the 16v differences there is an entire thread with all the technical differences in the FAQ section

http://www.vwclub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18455

[Neuk]

[Hey guys what is the advantages and drawbacks of going KR over ABF?

The KR is an older motor used in the 16v MkII Golf GTi's so it ran mechanical injection where as the ABF was used in the MkIII Golf GTi's in certain countries and ran newer technology.

[Hermz16v]

[Hey guys what is the advantages and drawbacks of going KR over ABF?

The KR is an older motor used in the 16v MkII Golf GTi's so it ran mechanical injection where as the ABF was used in the MkIII Golf GTi's in certain countries and ran newer technology.

Ahh ok, someone whos info i do not really trust "cos he is the kind of guy who starts his car cold and immediately go and bounce of the rev limiter" said that the 1.8 kr revs up better than the 2.0 afb cos its a short block and the 2.0 is long block he is prob not talking crap but i just want to make sure this is accurate

[dazza]

There would be roughly 20-30WHP difference between a stock 8v and stock 16v, so yeah 16v is certainly worth it in my mind

[THANAS]

The engine that makes more power will rev up quicker/better unless you're talking about revving the motor in neutral. ABF > KR in terms of power so I would say that's incorrect. Short vs long block, the difference in block height is something tiny and the rod ratio/rod angle on the ABF is better so it is less likely to wear bearings from revving higher etc.

The premium you pay for an ABF is just silly though, rather go 1.8T where parts are still available or 1.8 20V NA etc, I'm over the ABF motor.

[Tashveer]

The premium you pay for an ABF is just silly though, rather go 1.8T where parts are still available or 1.8 20V NA etc, I'm over the ABF motor.

Agree with that statement. It has become way to expensive. I bought mine in 2012 and paid 12.5k in Durban. In JHB it was selling for around 10k. Now the motor is upwards of 17k, a little extra will get you a 20vT - more bang for buck.

On the power side, I made 115wkw (Dictator and 63mm Flowtech Exhaust) at Autotrix in Dbn which is about the most accurate Dyno in Durban. I think thats around 160hp (I could be wrong).
There are plenty stock ABF's in Durban making 120+ also. Depends on Tuning, etc.

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